Ebola Comes To USA

[skychief]

POTUS has appointed veteran government insider Ron Klain as New Ebola Czar.

While Klain has absolutely no expertise in medicine or medical procedure, he was carefully chosen for this role because of his close relationships other Washington insiders. Here's an impressive resume'.

Klain played a high-profile role in Gore's 2000 presidential campaign.

Klain was former chief of staff to Vice Presidents Joe Biden and Al Gore, and is well-known by Obama and White House aides.

Klain previously served under Attorney General Janet Reno in the Clinton administration.

Klain is a Harvard Law School graduate.

Klain was selected as one of National Law Journal's "Lawyers of the Year".

It is believed that his close ties with Washington insiders makes him uniquely qualified for the role of Ebola Czar. The actual function of Ebola Czar should be regarded as managerial; and as a go-between for interactions and reporting procedures within the administrations different departments. It should not be be regarded as a medical function. In the absence of a Surgeon General, the CDC (and to a lesser extent, the NIH) still is responsible for all medical and logistical aspects of the Ebola situation.

reference: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/politics/ebola-czar-ron-klain/index.html

 

[sissy kathy]

I think this should read "POTUS has appointed veteran government insider Ron Klain as New Ebola Scapegoat".

Be careful here there's already been one post pulled 'cause of politics.

 

[redwookie]

POTUS has appointed veteran government insider Ron Klain as New Ebola Czar.

It is believed that his close ties with Washington insiders makes him uniquely qualified for the role of Ebola Czar. The actual function of Ebola Czar should be regarded as managerial; and as a go-between for interactions and reporting procedures within the administrations different departments. It should not be be regarded as a medical function. In the absence of a Surgeon General, the CDC (and to a lesser extent, the NIH) still is responsible for all medical and logistical aspects of the Ebola situation.

reference: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/politics/ebola-czar-ron-klain/index.html

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As Skychief said:
“What we were looking for is not an Ebola expert but rather an implementation expert, and that’s exactly what Ron Klain is,” said Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary. “He is somebody who has extensive experience in the federal government. He’s somebody that has extensive management experience when it comes to the private sector.”

Sadly, I have to agree with the comment below:

“Ebola is a health crisis, yet the president has appointed as his new Ebola ‘czar’ a partisan loyalist whose expertise is politics — not health,” said Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama. “One would think, faced with the prospect of an epidemic, the president would task an expert in epidemiology, not an expert in political spin.”

Where I live, the chief health person merely looked good on camera.

And then H1N1 hit and city health services were a mess

 

[One Drop]

Here's some balance to put things in perspective (as if the fact that there has been no outbreak, no new cases showing up on your shores from Africa, and the predictable politicizing of an issue that should be an opportunity for both party's to find common ground and put their differences aside to make sure the issue gets addressed calmly and effectively):

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Yeah, it's Rachel Maddow, and MSNBC, but you can't really argue with the sentiments and facts unless you really want to avoid seeing the big picture.

In case you want another angle, try this- I''ve no doubt the motivation behind it might be to avoid the panic and fear that will hit the station's owner's bottom line by making the stock market tank, and to avoid slowing trade, but the fact that it exists is admirable in itself, and maybe it will change a few minds who are fixating on making this a blame game:



I'm certain this will just whip the conspiracy lovers to a higher level of frenzy, but if this makes you angry, he is probably talking about YOU.

What the rest of the world should be doing is spending more time and money on WESTERN AFRICA if they want to stop the disease from hitting their shores.

 

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[One Drop]

Switzerland has set up mobile units and specially equipped hospitals to deal with cases. I guess it's unrealistic to expect to be able to train and equip every hospital in the country. The important thing is that we don't destroy the structures that are in place, so maybe they can be given a chance to react to their failings and put better training and methods of dealing in place.

 

[skychief]

i was watching the talking heads on the news today and learned something very important about people that have been sick with Ebola and survived:

They cannot become re-infected with the virus.

Ok, then why wasn't the WHO pushing for the training of (willing) Ebola survivors for health care of Ebola patients? There would be zero risk of becoming re-infected so they would be the ideal health care worker candidates in the 'hot zone'. This should have been done months ago.

Am I really the first one to consider this?

 

[CTC564]

Sorry Dude, I'm not taking the bait. It's all media hype.

I'd like to clear something up with you...I've worked in a hospital for 20+ years and have NEVER seen how horrifically bad hospital administrators are handling this...you're entitled to your opinion but come to my side of this scenario and see if you're willing to err on the side of caution or "stop buying into the hype" when you clearly have no experience
THIS is what is our administrators have accepted as "safe enough" per the CDC guidelines who, as of yet have been handling this as if they were bumbling fools

 

[BboogieXVII]

i was watching the talking heads on the news today and learned something very important about people that have been sick with Ebola and survived:

They cannot become re-infected with the virus.

Ok, then why wasn't the WHO pushing for the training of (willing) Ebola survivors for health care of Ebola patients? There would be zero risk of becoming re-infected so they would be the ideal health care worker candidates in the 'hot zone'. This should have been done months ago.

Am I really the first one to consider this?

They are only immune to the particular strain that they had, they could catch it again if they are exposed to a different strain. My quesstion: is more than one strain going around right now?

 

[48thStreetCustom]

I'd like to clear something up with you...I've worked in a hospital for 20+ years and have NEVER seen how horrifically bad hospital administrators are handling this...you're entitled to your opinion but come to my side of this scenario and see if you're willing to err on the side of caution or "stop buying into the hype" when you clearly have no experience
THIS is what is our administrators have accepted as "safe enough" per the CDC guidelines who, as of yet have been handling this as if they were bumbling fools
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Sorry, Man. I'm not taking the bait.

 

[CTC564]

You don't have to...but take care of an ebola patient in sub par isolation gear...do what I do...stick a tube into one of the patients lungs as they're coughing bloody, foamy secretions out in front of your face...

It's not bait

It's potentially your life, and anything less than taking the utmost precautions is absolutely foolish...

 

[One Drop]

No, you're not but, ya gotta get it past the libs and other naysayers. Other naysayers bring for instance, the corrupt politicians that won't want to pay for the training or salaries of those survivors that do volunteer, or medical types that insist it takes more than a few hours training to care for the sick..

Crazy talk, that old broken record. You will get this thread shut down like you seem to want to.

 

[bolophonic]

No, you're not but, ya gotta get it past the libs and other naysayers. Other naysayers bring for instance, the corrupt politicians that won't want to pay for the training or salaries of those survivors that do volunteer, or medical types that insist it takes more than a few hours training to care for the sick..

What exactly are you trying to blame on "liberals?"

 

[skychief]

They are only immune to the particular strain that they had, they could catch it again if they are exposed to a different strain. My quesstion: is more than one strain going around right now?

There's five different (strains) ebolaviruses;

Ebola-Zaire
Ebola-Sudan
Ebola-Ivory Coast
Ebola-Bundibugyo
Ebola-Reston


The virus causing the 2014 west African outbreak belongs to the Zaire species.

 

[Marial]

Gotta say, it's maybe not the absolutely last thing I'm worried about, but it's pretty close to the bottom. There's an epidemiologist/public health manager in our PEPS group. What is he worried about? The spread of misinformation and the lack of training and protocols at hospitals. He is NOT worried about a mass outbreak and he is supremely irritated by the amount of time he has to spend answering questions from people who have been eating from the FEAR vending machine.

 

[redwookie]

They are only immune to the particular strain that they had, they could catch it again if they are exposed to a different strain. My quesstion: is more than one strain going around right now?

Also, exactly how long immunity lasts has not been established. Could be a few weeks or a few months. Unless it's a loved one, not many Ebola survivors will be enticed by money to work in a care setting.

 

[skychief]

Also, exactly how long immunity lasts has not been established. Could be a few weeks or a few months. Unless it's a loved one, not many Ebola survivors will be enticed by money to work in a care setting.

They might be enticed by compassion for their fellow human being.

 

[redwookie]

What is he worried about? The spread of misinformation and the lack of training and protocols at hospitals. He is NOT worried about a mass outbreak and he is supremely irritated by the amount of time he has to spend answering questions from people who have been eating from the FEAR vending machine.

Sorry to hear he's irritated answering questions. I answer questions for a living. I kinda like it myself but it's not for everybody.

Doctors can be like that. Old friend of mine (we used to sing together) has been head of 2 major city health depts and he'd rather hand you an inch of research and say 'read this' than answer questions.

Of course people are fearful. But the best way to deal with that is to encourage thoughtful and informed discussion

 

[Marial]

It's not answering questions that's the issue. It's the misinformation spread on forums and in the media. That's what's irritating for him, because folks are driven to needlessly freak out, and then he has to spend his time allaying fears that shouldn't be there.

But the media and public frequently collude, however. It's a nice feedback loop that's probably quite profitable for a few.

 

[One Drop]

They might be enticed by compassion for their fellow human being.

It's a made-up fantasy scenario that is impractical, far-fetched, and unnecessary.

There are plenty of people who are prepared and willing to care for the sick.

So are you recommending flying over cured Africans to treat Ebola victims in the US? Or are you thinking of recruiting from the massive pool of survivors who are already in the US?

You're not thinking straight and seem to have no idea how things work n the real world. As I responded to your earlier conspiracy nonsense, you have no credibility and now are just flitting from one fixation to another.

It's obvious you've convinced yourself this is something to fear and you are just fueling your indignation with anything you can find. You still refuse to engage any other arguments or facts, you're a broken record sowing panic and you should think twice about what you are doing and maybe why, while you're at it.

Have you written to your congressman with your suit ideas? Have you volunteered to help?

Easy to sit on the sidelines and rant.