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Double Bass EBS Stanley Clarke Acoustic Preamp

#41
Les Fret said:
Seems like a good preamp. Looks a lot like the Microbass III. Anyone using the Microbass III for upright?
Besides the two channels do you think the Stanley Clarke preamp will sound much better than say a Platinum Pro bass? (older grey one)
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I have been using EBS Microbass II with my electric upright...

Generally, I prefer EBS products over Fishman products… I don't have direct experience with the older grey Platinum Pro though.
 
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#42
I ve been using the MicroBass II for years now.
One feature I loved: you can power it by the mixing desk by Phantom Power via via the di xls out.
any body knows if this possible for the Stanley Clarke acoustic preamp?
thanks
 
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Hasty said:
Wonder if that’s because the power consumption to power the unit would affect phantom power to the mic input?

I’ve built 9v pedals before, but not messed with phantom power much beyond the needs of an end user.
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From p.60 of the EDB-2 H.E. manual:

19.2.4 Phantom Powering of All Present and Past Models of EDB Pre-amplifiers -- Output XLR does NOT accept 48v Phantom from a mixer, as milli-amps power provided is not sufficient to power EDB preamplifier's high performance, multi-function features.​

Probably similar to to the EBS/Clarke preamp.
 
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N. Kentucky Bass said:
From p.60 of the EDB-2 H.E. manual:

19.2.4 Phantom Powering of All Present and Past Models of EDB Pre-amplifiers -- Output XLR does NOT accept 48v Phantom from a mixer, as milli-amps power provided is not sufficient to power EDB preamplifier's high performance, multi-function features.​

Probably similar to to the EBS/Clarke preamp.
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makes sense to me.
 
#47
Hasty said:
Wonder if that’s because the power consumption to power the unit would affect phantom power to the mic input?
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I guess the power requirements are to high in order to be satisfied via phantom.

Microbass II required 10mA for standard operation and 80 mA for headphones. Phantom power was possible only for standard operation, not for headphones.

Microbass III needs 450mA according to the web page. Phantom power is not stated as a possibility.

The SC Acoustic Preamp needs 500-800 mA...
 
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#51
kerrycares said:
I tried the Felix and the Alix and didn’t care for the eq voicing.
I’m interested in trying this with my Lifeline and Nadine.
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Although I did find the Felix a superior product for shaping sounds, particularly trouble-shooting problems onstage, the unit itself does color your signal even with everything turned to zero which frustrated some FOH engineers. I have wondered aloud if a 32 band eq might be the better option. Or if a simple wolf tone eliminator for amplified gigs might have helped me immensely. The problem with making my bass louder was that it was already so resonant. On the road often really crappy rental over-built plywood basses would better for sound as they were so dead acoustically. The problem there that they feel terrible and play horribly. But the sound was even and magageable.
 
#52
If I compare the Grace Felix to my Walter Woods preamp. The Grace is far less colored than the Woods. Since my bass is a 5/8’s it resonates less
than a larger instrument. Amplifying a bass on large stages, is such a crapshoot anyway. Engineers IME are either good at working with you or set in their own ways. Just my take.
 
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Jason Sypher said:
Although I did find the Felix a superior product for shaping sounds, particularly trouble-shooting problems onstage, the unit itself does color your signal even with everything turned to zero which frustrated some FOH engineers. I have wondered aloud if a 32 band eq might be the better option. Or if a simple wolf tone eliminator for amplified gigs might have helped me immensely. The problem with making my bass louder was that it was already so resonant. On the road often really crappy rental over-built plywood basses would better for sound as they were so dead acoustically. The problem there that they feel terrible and play horribly. But the sound was even and magageable.
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EXACTLY!
I’ve heard that Stanley Clarke only travels with inexpensive Chinese basses possibly for that reason.
 
#54
Ric Vice said:
If I compare the Grace Felix to my Walter Woods preamp. The Grace is far less colored than the Woods. Since my bass is a 5/8’s it resonates less
than a larger instrument. Amplifying a bass on large stages, is such a crapshoot anyway. Engineers IME are either good at working with you or set in their own ways. Just my take.
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I'm there totally with you.. I never heard/used a preamp with the flexibility and the "clarity" of the Felix, who colored the sound less....
I know only one preamp a little less coloring, but this one is in my eyes not so useful and flexible..:) but if you can compare/check it out, then go for the Invalid Link Removed or the [Invalid or Expired Link Removed], if you own a lunchbox ;)
 
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kerrycares said:
EXACTLY!
I’ve heard that Stanley Clarke only travels with inexpensive Chinese basses possibly for that reason.
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I got this quote from an interview:

I’ve surprised some people with my upright playing in rock formats. I finally found a pickup that works for me, an Underwood. I’ve tried them all. And I got a bass with a removable neck made for me by Lemur Music. They measured my boyhood bass—the bass I’ve used on all the records I’ve done—and made 14 of them. I kept seven of them. As an acoustic instrument, it sounds okay— it has a nice, sweet sound—but when I put the Underwood pickup on it, it’s amonster. I think the removable neck is the way to go for traveling, too.

What do you use to amplify your uprights?

Ampeg works better for acoustic bass, too. I can compete with the loudest players—I don’t carehowloud they are. And this bass actually sounds pretty good with the bow, too. I also use a piece of equipment from a company called EBS—the MicroBass II. I think it’s the best unit you can use for acoustic bass. It has two separate EQs, and they’re really designed for bass. It’s a direct box, but it also has EQ.
 
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#58
Stanley was one of the first group of players, who performed on Double Bass in a high volume fusion band. Along with Miroslav Vitous, Dave Holland, and Steve Robby they had to come up with their own solutions for doing that. Doubling was the order of the day then, so it just makes sense that he would want a dual channel preamp for that reason now. EBS is a well respected amp and effects company.
 
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