Eden 210xst/wt550 troubleshooting

[12bass]

Bit of a sidetrack, and I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I think my T3W fEARful 15/6/1 was somewhere around the $850 - 900 CAD mark, and it definitely handles the lows much better than the D-210XST. It also weighs about the same. Might be worth checking around locally and see if anyone has one you can audition.

 

[DavidEdenAria]

Anyone know exactly what the speaker setup in my late 90's Minnesota Eden 2x10 Metro are?

In terms of new speakers to fit the OP's Eden cabinet, i would do some research and see if you can find aftermarket speakers that fit the parameters possibly.

Btw, i removed the head from my Metro 2x10 combo and the speaker cabinet is still heavy and hard to move around, plus i dont care for it on the floor in my small music room....those Eden 2x10 combos are HEAVY! Enough so the casters on my Metro were shot!

 

[Wasnex]

Anyone know exactly what the speaker setup in my late 90's Minnesota Eden 2x10 Metro are?

In terms of new speakers to fit the OP's Eden cabinet, i would do some research and see if you can find aftermarket speakers that fit the parameters possibly.

Btw, i removed the head from my Metro 2x10 combo and the speaker cabinet is still heavy and hard to move around, plus i dont care for it on the floor in my small music room....those Eden 2x10 combos are HEAVY! Enough so the casters on my Metro were shot!

I believe the speaker part is essentially D210XLT.

 

[DavidEdenAria]

I believe the speaker part is essentially D210XLT.

If so, it is a 350 watt cabinet? I was thinking the Metro amp put out at least 400 watts?

The Metro 2x10 cabinet sounds fine btw but i never pushed it hard...just too heavy to move around before i removed the amp from the combo cabinet...i cant bend over much, i would rather roll around my 8x10 or my stacked pair of 1x15 TL-606 with EV15L's!

 

[Wasnex]

If so, it is a 350 watt cabinet? I was thinking the Metro amp put out at least 400 watts?

The Metro 2x10 cabinet sounds fine btw but i never pushed it hard...just too heavy to move around before i removed the amp from the combo cabinet...i cant bend over much, i would rather roll around my 8x10 or my stacked pair of 1x15 TL-606 with EV15L's!

Keep in mind the model is DC210XLT Metro

I don't know how the Metro specs may have changed over the years. Here are the specs from manual dated 2006:

The DC210XLT delivers 300 watts RMS output @ 8 Ohms, 550 watts @ 4Ohms and 750 watts @ 2 Ohms, with +3dB of headroom.​

The manual also says, "The impedance of the internal speakers is 8 Ohms," so the RMS power of the amp is limited to 300W. However, I think it would be entirely possible to blow the internal speakers if you cranked the Metro into hard distortion. Per the above specs, the amp can send out peaks of 600W into 8 ohms.

 

[DavidEdenAria]

Keep in mind the model is DC210XLT Metro

I don't know how the Metro specs may have changed over the years. Here are the specs from manual dated 2006:

The DC210XLT delivers 300 watts RMS output @ 8 Ohms, 550 watts @ 4Ohms and 750 watts @ 2 Ohms, with +3dB of headroom.​

The manual also says, "The impedance of the internal speakers is 8 Ohms," so the RMS power of the amp is limited to 300W. However, I think it would be entirely possible to blow the internal speakers if you cranked the Metro into hard distortion. Per the above specs, the amp can send out peaks of 600W into 8 ohms.

Thanx for that info! I wasnt sure, it seems the amp says 900 watts peak into 2 ohms which i dont do 2 ohms only 4 ohms and it sounds stellar thru my 4 ohm cabinets which is easy now that the amp is in a head cabinet...actually the Metro 2x10 cab sounds great at low to mid volumes...Thanx for the info!

 

[Wasnex]

Thanx for that info! I wasnt sure, it seems the amp says 900 watts peak into 2 ohms which i dont do 2 ohms only 4 ohms and it sounds stellar thru my 4 ohm cabinets which is easy now that the amp is in a head cabinet...actually the Metro 2x10 cab sounds great at low to mid volumes...Thanx for the info!

I found another Metro manual dated 2003 with the following specs:

The Output Power of the 600 Watts RMS @ 2 Ohms, 400 Watts RMS @ 4 Ohms, and 240 Watts @ 8 Ohms output at full power.
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[DavidEdenAria]

I found another Metro manual dated 2003 with the following specs:

The Output Power of the 600 Watts RMS @ 2 Ohms, 400 Watts RMS @ 4 Ohms, and 240 Watts @ 8 Ohms output at full power.
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My Metro was made in Minnesota, ive read the speakers changed on the Metros, is that true? Valuable unique speakers ive read i think...i didnt want to risk damaging them.

Weird thing when i checked the inside of the 2x10 cabinet, i found one of the speaker connectors was loose though still attached...i assume they are the stock speakers but not certain...i did compare photos i found online and they seemed to look the same to me.

 

[Wasnex]

My Metro was made in Minnesota, ive read the speakers changed on the Metros, is that true? Valuable unique speakers ive read i think...i didnt want to risk damaging them.

Weird thing when i checked the inside of the 2x10 cabinet, i found one of the speaker connectors was loose though still attached...i assume they are the stock speakers but not certain...i did compare photos i found online and they seemed to look the same to me.

The Metro was made for a long, long time, so I would not be surprised if the drivers were changeg at some point. Perhaps @Rip Van Dan knows more about it.

 

[12bass]

Can't say for certain, but I don't remember any Metros with anything but XLT speakers. I do seem to recall, however, that Eden has a super compliant woofer available in a wedge? for a while that was a quite different design, but that was in the 90s.

 

[Rip Van Dan]

The Metro was made for a long, long time, so I would not be surprised if the drivers were changeg at some point. Perhaps @Rip Van Dan knows more about it.

Those were the same speakers that were used in the D210XLT. They were EC-1060XL speakers. The unique thing about the Metro was the two channel amplifier. Channel 2 was the "normal" Eden preamp with featuring the 3 sets of semi-parametric EQ controls and Channel 1 used an FET front end with simplified EQ. It came with a foot pedal. As long as you plugged your bass into Channel 2 the foot pedal could toggle you between Channel 1 and channel 2. So if could set up two different sounds and switch between them at will.

The only possible difference in speakers could be that in the earlier years the speakers made in-house by Eden in Montrose, MN. Later on Eminence was given a shot at replicating them to take over manufacture (around 2008 or 2009 I think). Took them a few tries, but they nailed it. Some folks in the Eden forum who had to replace speakers said they had exactly the same sound and had no trouble replacing the old ones with the new ones. Eminence has made speakers for Eden ever since. The same speaker numbers were used both pre and post Eminence taking over manufacturing.

The Metro (CXC210) had the same (or very similar) power section and supply that the WT550 did, so it would put out 300-watts into 8 ohms, 500-watts into 4 ohms and 750-watts into 2 ohms. Prior to 2004 it put out 400-watts into 4 ohms and 600-watts into 2 ohms. This head was available separately only in 2004 as the MH600. They brought it out them due to numerous requests, but evidently there weren't enough sales to support it on its own, so that was the only year it was sold separately.

 

[S-Bigbottom]

The repair guy pulled up his supplier website and we looked at the drivers together, at first he had selected a 500w but then he second guessed himself and thought 250+250=500. I think I'll stick with the OEM drivers, if anything.

The seller tried to tell me the holes in the surround occurred during shipping, it was an arduous process with Reverb to force a partial refund. I don't think they would have been honest with me about other damage or replaced parts if I asked up front. For me the big takeaway is not to buy used online. I thought about sending the cab back immediately but I would have still had to eat all the shipping. I did have it looked at by a tech before I decided to keep it. How am I supposed to know more than guys who do this for a living? I know you all think you would have played it differently, easy to say.

I've only paid $45 for repairs so far. If I pay for new drivers and L-pad I'm at $850-900 total including shipping which is still $500 cheaper than a new cab of the same model. I like that idea better than buying yet another used cab when local techs have been so unhelpful.

I would recommend looking into something more modern in a cab, speaker and cab technology has leaped forward since that cab came out.

Good modern 2x12's are in that price range and they will out preform that eden while weighing around the 50 pound mark, you can play almost anywhere with just the one cab.

 

[PixelWes]

Bit of a sidetrack, and I don't mean to beat a dead horse, but I think my T3W fEARful 15/6/1 was somewhere around the $850 - 900 CAD mark, and it definitely handles the lows much better than the D-210XST. It also weighs about the same. Might be worth checking around locally and see if anyone has one you can audition.

Did you buy a used prebuilt fEARFUL, or a DIY kit, or did you have an authorized builder make one? If I could get a fEARful in that price range (fully built, not a kit) I would 100% just pick one up tomorrow. I have a much bigger budget this time around if needed. I could have a 1515/66 built by SHO (Canada's only authorized builder) for $1850, that's a little steep for me. If I bought the 15/6 for $1100 would I regret not splurging?

I can lift the D210XST over my head and press it one-handed, anything lighter than that is just a small bonus for me. I liked the idea of stacking two 210s vertically for a skinny fridge but I'm not married to it.

 

[12bass]

Did you buy a used prebuilt fEARFUL, or a DIY kit, or did you have an authorized builder make one? If I could get a fEARful in that price range (fully built, not a kit) I would 100% just pick one up tomorrow. I have a much bigger budget this time around if needed. I could have a 1515/66 built by SHO (Canada's only authorized builder) for $1850, that's a little steep for me. If I bought the 15/6 for $1100 would I regret not splurging?

I can lift the D210XST over my head and press it one-handed, anything lighter than that is just a small bonus for me. I liked the idea of stacking two 210s vertically for a skinny fridge but I'm not married to it.

My friend and I bought the parts and lumber and built two 15/6s, mine with the added XD125 tweeter, his with the regular CBG crossover. I can't say if you would regret not getting one, but there may be someone local who has a fEARful that you can try (they all sound similar). A single 15/6 would be 8 ohms, while adding a 15 sub would bring the combination down to 4 ohms (and provide lots of big bottom end). The 15/6 tone profile is quite a bit different than the D-210XST - deeper fundamentals and more clarity/presence in the upper midrange due to the 6" midrange driver; however, there is a bit of a spike around ~4kHz from cone resonance in the mid driver that some, like myself, find aggressive, which is why I moved on to the flatter/smoother True 3-way crossover. Posting on the forum might help to locate someone nearby: [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]