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EDEN 410 XLT

Yeah, I do the same when I go into just the D-410XLT. Right now I've got it hooked up to a D-210XLT sitting on a D-115XL (don't tell).

My power conditioner is backwards? Let me check ...


... no, it's OK, you don't need a mirror to read the writing.


Ohhhhhhhhh ... you mean why is it in the back of the rack! Well, that way, I can leave the center space open for cooling, and still have the rackmount tuner in there. See?

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Originally posted by odie

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Originally posted by Rickenbackerman
Just be careful if you play loudly with a 5 string or you tune down... cone crease city!
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huh??? Did I miss something?

Yeah, do a search on cone crease. Bgavin started a thread on the subject.

If you play loudly and tune down or use a 5 string, prepare to blow some speakers.
 
I have owned my Eden for a couple months now, and I nothing about this supposed cone crease/blown speaker problem with 5-strings. I play in a metal cover band, and spend alot of time at high volume on my low B. There is not a single thing wrong with any of the four speakers, and they perform flawlessly all night.

This must be how rumors get started. When this one gets really popular, at least I can say I was there when the dude started it.

-Mike
 
Rumor? Gimme some credit, dude. The cab's in my basement and the speakers are creased. One guy posted a pic of his SWR cab with creased cones. Do a search.

The fact is these cabs were not designed for high power at below 40 or so Hz. Don't believe it? Do a search.

If yours are fine, good for you. You know why? You don't play as loud as me.
 
Originally posted by Tim Cole
I suspect a batch of faulty speakers.....

Nope, bgavin has one and tested it. I can't find the post (and I just looked pretty d*mn hard), but he showed that the 410XLT is tuned at 44Hz or so. If you plot speaker excursion vs. frequency, know what happens below the tuning frequency? Those cones really start pumping. It's a fact that if you play low and loud, your speakers are on borrowed time.
 
Hey Rickenbackerman......I did a search, and read the thread all the way through. If you need to find it also, do a search for "cone crease". When you read the thread again, and check the poll, you will see that WAY more people report no problem than a problem.

That being said, I am quite sure that speaker cones DO crease when put through the extremes that were used in the tests.

I called it a "rumor" since it has been associated with Eden cabs, like they are the only ones that do it. I can see it now. In a matter of a few weeks, everyone will be of the opinion that Eden cabs will crease and blow speakers when you play them loud on a 5-string. Opinions expressed in this forum often are taken as fact. Has it happened? Yup, sure has. Does that mean we need to tell everyone with an Eden cab to turn down the volume and quit playing their 5-stringers through them? Nope. This is not a universal problem only with Eden cabs.

I suppose we could get into a pissing match about who plays louder, but I would rather not.

You play LOUD, so do I.

You have creased cones in your Eden, I do not.

-Mike
 
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I love my Eden Stuff. WT800, 2-12XLT, 4-10XLT,
and 115T. I get a lot of compliments about my
sound. I am happy with this gear and have no
plans to switch. I have creased a few speakers
though; both of the 12's and a 15. It was my
own damn fault, I pushed them too hard. Eden
still took care of it under warranty.
 
Originally posted by Turlu
Munji,

As always, thanks !!!

But, I still hesitate between the Peavey Classic 400 Tube Amp and the EDEN WT-800 for my new head.

I like a vintage Tone but also do not want to limit my possibilities.

My music store agrees to swap my 4 ohms EDEN 410XLT to a 8 ohms if I want.

Let me know what you think, again, please

Well, if you want to be loud with one cab, keep the 8-ohm and bridge into it. If you don't mind lugging two 100-pound cabs, swap out to the 4-ohm, and get another one now or later. Maybe even an XST. Even though you'll be pumping in the same amount of power, 400 watts into each of two cabs will be much louder than 750 watts (XLT power rating) into one cab. I'm playing tonight bridged into one D-410XLT 8-ohm, and I'm not worried about volume. But the tone, it just kills.
 
Originally posted by Rickenbackerman
Rumor? Gimme some credit, dude. The cab's in my basement and the speakers are creased. One guy posted a pic of his SWR cab with creased cones. Do a search.

The fact is these cabs were not designed for high power at below 40 or so Hz. Don't believe it? Do a search.

If yours are fine, good for you. You know why? You don't play as loud as me.

I own only 5-string basses. I've never had a problem with any of my Eden cabs creasing. The simple fact is, if you play too loud for the system, something's got to give. My suspicion is that you asked the cab for more than it was designed to deliver. This is not a flaw in the equipment, it's user error.
 
Originally posted by Munjibunga


I own only 5-string basses. I've never had a problem with any of my Eden cabs creasing. The simple fact is, if you play too loud for the system, something's got to give. My suspicion is that you asked the cab for more than it was designed to deliver. This is not a flaw in the equipment, it's user error.

>>>> You're 100% correct. See my post above.
I creased some Eden speakers. I only
have myself to blame, it wasn't the
fault of the equipment at all.
 
I bought a scratch n dent XLT at AMS a couple weeks ago and I have no complaints! ;-) Tech 21 chorus sounds amazing through it with new strings!
 

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