Eden Cabinet Placement Question

[lhrocker]

I was checking out a used Eden D410XLT at the local GC today. The cabinet sounded really good with a tight and punchy low end. I was thinking I could put my Avatar 2x10 on top of it, but it turns out that the Avatar is wider than the Eden. Since the Eden has two ports, would there be any issues on laying the cabinet on it's side and putting the Avatar on top that way?

If you think that works, then I will pickup the cab tomorrow (pun intended).

 

[chuck norriss]

I don't see why not but call Eden they'll tell you for sure.

 

[Tim Skaggs]

It 's definitely not going to affect the tone negatively. The ports are to tune the cabinet and it shouldn't make any difference how the are positioned as long as they aren't blocked / restricted. As for whether the cabinet is built where it can be used on it's side without harm, I can't imagine what it could hurt. If the speakers aren't mounted well enough to function in any position, something is bad wrong. The recommended call to Eden will put your mind at ease.

 

[prd004]

I've used mine on its side a bunch, no problem

 

[Downunderwonder]

Don't buy it without trying the cabs together. And mind the total impedance.

With an 800RB you could have a humdinger biamp rig running the avatar vertical on top.

 

[johnpbass]

Never played through an Avatar 210 cab but I will say that the 410XLT is a LOUD cab. As Downunderwonder says, if you plan on using the two, try them together. The 410XLT has the Eden sound, lots of low mid push. The cab also projects a lot of volume out front.
No issues setting it on its side. I used to run my 210XLTs on their sides all the time.

 

[lhrocker]

Thanx for all the info. I also signed up to the Eden forum and the guys say that running the cab on its side is fine. If I find I don't need the Avatar, then that's cool too, but I'm running a pre/power amp setup so each cab will get it's own channel.

 

[johnpbass]

That would make it a lot easier to balance the volumes. What pre/power are you running lhrocker?

 

[bgavin]

The potential problem is running two dissimilar cabinets and tunings, with an overlapping frequency range.
The D410-XLT really comes into its power between 100 and 1,000 Hz.

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IMO, running the Avatar here is pointless.
If you are enamored of the D410-XLT, buy a 2nd one and stack the two if you require a huge amount of noise.
This avoids over driving a single cab and creasing the cones.

Also, take very close note of the cones in the used one.
D410-XLT are notorious for creased cones after having the snot pounded out of them by the overly-ambitious former owner.
A driver refresh of a 4x10 isn't cheap.

 

[MrLenny1]

Cab port placement will have no effect.
With the 4x10 XLT you may not need the 2x10 at all.
That is a do all cab.

 

[lhrocker]

That would make it a lot easier to balance the volumes. What pre/power are you running lhrocker?

Hey John,

I'm running a Sansamp RPM into an Art Dual MP for a little warmth going into a Crown 1000XLS.

I also have a GK MB500 for the small gigs.

 

[johnpbass]

Nice. Either of those setups would sound great with the Eden.
I used to run a Sansamp RBI into a Crest CA4 to 2- 210XLTs. Great combination.

 

[chuck norriss]

Cab port placement will have no effect.
With the 4x10 XLT you may not need the 2x10 at all.
That is a do all cab.

It is but he can point the 210 at the drummer. Or at hisself.

 

[chuck norriss]

Hey John,

I'm running a Sansamp RPM into an Art Dual MP for a little warmth going into a Crown 1000XLS.

I also have a GK MB500 for the small gigs.

I'm similar: art tube mp - ADA ss - Eden 410. The Art is a cool little tube di.

 

[lhrocker]

I'm similar: art tube mp - ADA ss - Eden 410. The Art is a cool little tube di.

Definitely a nice piece to bring the level into the Crown up a notch.

 

[lhrocker]

And here is what the rig looks like now...

 

[Downunderwonder]

Looks like you got DSP amp there? Maybe not, I'm on my phone, but you could add a 3way crossover to the rack for peanuts. Try biamping with the 2x10 around 150hz and the 4x10 on lows. You'll either love it or hate it.

What you lose in total volume is fairly insignificant.

With the 2x10 vertical it throws your tone around the room instead of beaming it up the centre.
Extra height too.

Pay attention to what bgavin was saying about the low lows. Baking in a highpass with DSP or 3way crossover lets you squeeze the best out of it.

 

[johnpbass]

And here is what the rig looks like now...

NICE!
How do the cabs sound together lhrocker?

 

[lhrocker]

They sound really good. The Eden has a deeper tone than the Avatar. I turned the horns off on both of them and I get a nice balanced tone with good highs and lows.

NICE!
How do the cabs sound together lhrocker?

 

[johnpbass]

Cool.
The thing I've found with the 410XLT is that it will project a LOT of volume out front. FOH sound guys will be telling you to turn down! Which is a good thing IMO!