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Eden EX112 neodymium speaker considerations

Killed_by_Death

Killed_by_Death

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#1
I picked up a used EX112 today on a whim, thinking I'd like to have something lighter & smaller than my Markbass 2x10.
Well, they're the same weight, but at least the 1x12 is smaller.

However, I don't like its sound with overdrive, in comparison to the MB cab.

Maybe with a nice new neodymium speaker in there, it could be lighter & better...

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add: What I don't like about the sound of OD on it is a sizzle I hear, maybe too much distortion.

add2: I'd like to be able to use it for guitar as well, which is what I've been doing with the Markbass 2x10 for over a year.
 
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That "sizzle comment" surprises me as I have an EX110, and while I'm a clean player, sizzle or any other high end content attribute would never come to mind in describing you cab's little brother. I specifically bought the cab to use for light acoustic stuff where I wanted a more URB type of sound - focused in the lower and middle mids with a weaker top end and no boom.

I'm going to be absolutely no help in terms of what to suggest for a replacement speaker. However, is it possible that the cab/speaker itself is simply not up to producing "your tone" at higher volume with the EQ settings you're used to using with the MB 210? I'd pull some treble/upper mids out and see if that doesn't round out the tone a bit. Good luck!
 
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Jeff Scott said:
Carefully cut the whizzer cone off and see if that improves the sound.
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I'll have to investigate what the purpose of that extra cone is. It's quite big on the 12".


Al Kraft said:
I'd pull some treble/upper mids out and see if that doesn't round out the tone a bit. Good luck!
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I tried that, but then it just sounds muffled.
Maybe this just confirms that the Markbass cab is the one for me.
 
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I tried that, but then it just sounds muffled.
Maybe this just confirms that the Markbass cab is the one for me.[/QUOTE]

I find the MB cabs to be voiced differently enough that people tend have strong feelings for or against them. Seems like you may in fact be a strong vote in the "for" category.

As a data point (and admittedly maybe not one with the best ear) I've listened to a lot of, and played on some MB gear, and none of it sounded very Eden-like to me. Whizzer cone cabs are also a different beast in my experience and you either like that approach to low/mid/high transitions or it feels unnatural to you.

I hope you can find peace with the Eden because it's a nice little cab, but it sort of seems like it may not be your cup of tea. OBTW, I wouldn't fool around with modifying that whizzer cone piece. Look real close with a flashlight and you'll see it is attached as a separate piece in the voice coil area - I'm guessing you'd do some irreparable damage if you tried to modify it in some way.
 
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Killed_by_Death said:
Paired with the Markbass 2x10 it sounds pretty good, but not so great on it's own. Wouldn't I just hear that sizzle more with two of them?
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I've heard a lot of folks say that those EX series 110's and 112's are exceptionally nice with 2 cabs, but IME with other cabs, a second one usually just gives me more of what I already have, not something different.
 
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I use the Eminence Kappalite 3012LF in a similar-sized enclosure. It doesn't have a lot of top end on its own, but that probably translates into not much sizzle.

The Deltalite is theoretically another candidate, but it has a rising response through the upper midrange region and I'm not sure that would be a step in the right direction for you.

The Basslite 12 is another possibility, again strong upper mids, and more modest power handling than the other two.

If you want a solid low end, the Kappalite is hard to beat.
 
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Killed_by_Death said:
I've cued up an order for a Deltalite II 2512... not sure they'd work out that well for guitar & bass.
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Over on a site called The Gear Page, there are guitarists who use the Deltalite II 2512.

In fact a couple years ago I was working on a cab that would be switchable between bass and guitar, and the Deltalite 12 was my front-runner, but I couldn't figure out how to adjust the bottom end (south of 100 Hz or so) between bass-friendly and guitar-friendly.

If you go ahead with the Deltalite, I'd be very much interested in hearing your assessment of whether the one cab can work for both bass and guitar. You might be able to tame the low end for guitar mode by stuffing the ports with open-cell foam, transforming it into a "leaky sealed box". I didn't try that, and in retrospect probably should have.
 
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Killed_by_Death said:
However, I don't like its sound with overdrive
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Killed_by_Death said:
I tried that, but then it just sounds muffled.
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Do you like it at least with clean bass and clean guitar?
In case you do, a more surgical EQ tweak may be worth investigating.
What do you use for overdrive? Does it come from pushing a guitar head's tube power section? If it doesn't*, there's the chance you only need to cut the right amount and slice of high highs for the offending sizzle not to reach the speaker when you choose a dirty sound.
Do you have, or could you find a cheap EQ pedal, like a Behringer EQ700 or a Danelectro DJ-14C Fish & Chips, to place after the distorsion stage (pedal, or guitar head onboard distortion if there's an FX loop)? With the last, 6.4 kHz band fully down it might do the trick. I mean, such a pedal could be useful upstream as well, but as at least a troubleshooting device I'd try it post-dirt.


* (and even if it does if you look into a passive, speaker-level low pass filter)
 
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Killed_by_Death said:
I'll have to investigate what the purpose of that extra cone is. It's quite big on the 12".




I tried that, but then it just sounds muffled.
Maybe this just confirms that the Markbass cab is the one for me.
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The whizzer cone is replacing a separate tweeter. The whole idea behind using the whizzer cone is to give the cabinet better clarity. If I recall correctly that cab has an internal crossover built in. So cutting it off will lose the upper frequencies because the crossover won't be sending those higher frequencies to the main cone. Not sure about that though and I don't see any info on it on the Eden site.

In any case "carefully cutting off the whizzer cone" seems like an extreme measure for something that you hope "might work".
 
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I played that cab and actually liked the sound although wasn't thrilled with what the whizzie added. You could call Al over at US Speaker and see if he has some recommendations based on the inner dimensions and that front slot port. Always liked the Eden designs and would love to try one of the new DNA cabs.
 
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