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Eden EX112 neodymium speaker considerations

#22
Linnin said:
I just played through it, and my well considered advice is to burn it. Now I know I hate wizzers. :spit:
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At least for the ones I've played/heard, whizzer designs do seem to have their own kind of voicing deal going on that you wouldn't expect to be all that different just looking at the speaker. IME experience they have worked best with cleaner tones from acoustic instruments and URB. I use it with my passive bass to give me a warmer/earthier acoustic type of sound than I'd frequently get with a horn or piezo type HF driver.
 
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ficelles said:
Shame as it's a nice size and price, not much to compare in that price bracket that I can see...
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That's the real benefit I see in these EX 110 and 112 cabs - weight, size and price. For me, the tone is fine within certain limits, but not nearly as flexible across a broad range of uses like a Mesa Subway 112, Berg HDN112, etc. For the money, and for the right jobs, they are a great value.
 
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Jeff Scott said:
Carefully cut the whizzer cone off and see if that improves the sound.
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I wouldn't. This will also change the TS parameters. This driver is voiced in conjunction with the wizzer, probably better to investigate a more predictable solution IMO.
 
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There are no crossovers with wizzer cones.

They do not "buzz", they are a direct coupled re-radiator which are designed to extend the frequency response as well as expand the radiation pattern of the higher frequencies.
 
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agedhorse said:
There are no crossovers with wizzer cones.

They do not "buzz", they are a direct coupled re-radiator which are designed to extend the frequency response as well as expand the radiation pattern of the higher frequencies.
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That's what I thought, no crossover or extra coil, just the extra cone. The Eminence Beta 12LT I had was sold as a "full range" speaker although the extra cone only increases the response to 8KHz.

The sound with overdrive I guess would be a little like putting an overdrive pedal through a PA - basically horrible as we are used to hearing overdrive through speakers that don't do much beyond 5KHz.
 
#28
ficelles said:
That extra cone is adding the high frequency content (5KHz+). The "whizzer" cone is a reason I've not yet tried that cab as an extension cab for my Promethean, but maybe I will...
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I have an EX110 and that whizzer cone negates the need for a tweeter. I actually get a decent slap tone from that cabinet and I always want a little sparkle in my bass cabs. It sounds great on top of a darker cabinet for a more well rounded tone. Finding another driver that will load in that cabinet might be tricky, the port shelf is really deep on that cabinet. I tried a 10" Faital driver in my Eden EX110 cabinet and almost destroyed it by pushing lows. Be aware of the low tuning of that cabinet. A 3012LF or maybe a Delta 12LF might work okay.
 
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I've put deltalite 2512's in a few cabs. I'm not sure they will have the sizzle you're after naturally. my experiences with them don't have tons on the top or bottom end, but they're great in the middle for sure. I guess it depends on lots of factors what the outcome will be though for you .
 
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Just fwiw, I noticed when speaker swapping that the drivers in my ampeg 210avs are actually lighter than the faital neos I have, so I'd weigh what's in it before trying to reduce weight with a driver change. The eden driver might be pretty light considering it doesn't handle a ton of power.
 
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Killed_by_Death said:
The sizzle from the whizzer cone is what I wanted to eliminate.
It adds an extra bit of distortion that I don't care for.

Mids is good, neither low low or high high, just kind of wishy-washy in the middle, LOL.
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It may not be the wizzer cone, it may very well be due to the main cone. The wizzer may or may not exaggerate it.
 
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I'm thinkin the sizzle may be an amplifier clipping issue. I don't think the whizzer cone could cause an issue like that unless it's merely reproducing the sound from a component up the chain. If the Eden 110 is less efficient (probably) than the 210, the amp could easily get into clipping at the same volumes you're used to. If you're playing a different head too, then there's even more chance for a headroom problem. If you have a big balls head then it could be driver distortion from trying to play a smaller speaker at a volume you are used to hearing from a cab with twice the cone area.
 
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Killed_by_Death said:
It sounds fine clean. I'm using a Quilter Tone Block now, so my EQ options are limited. I went through some EQ changes last night, but I was not happy with results that took away the unwanted distortion.
Ironically, the head I had, a H&K Tubemeister 18, might have worked better with this cab, but that's what I traded for this cabinet.

I'm just turning up the gain to get OD, but I just now got the idea to try getting OD with my Tone Hammer preamp.
That will also allow me more EQ options. There's no way to insert if after the preamp stage of the amp though. Ironically again, that was an option with my Tubemeister.
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Got it.

I keep thinking that modding the cabinet by adding, or having added, something like the low pass part of the following, and making it switchable, could be an option:
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You could then engage the >5kHz -off switch for songs where you need overdriven bass or guitar.

Then again, I'm seriously technically challenged.
 
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#39
The Eden is back at GC, and I picked up this Rumble 1x12 instead. It's lighter, smaller (overall cu. in.) & sounds better.

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