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Electric car as power source?

Sources? That Prius story has been debunked and is based out dated supply lines and technology. Sure mining is dirty and China owns the bulk of the metals we need for these new technologies, but the idea that we should just keep doing what we've been doing is lame. Your post is harmful despite your throwaway statement that you are pro-green.

The problem is there are a lot of bogus "green" technologies being pushed, combined with the attitude that anyone who says anything negative is a climate change denier. There's no point replacing one destructive technology with another. And that Land Rover / Prius story - debunked or not - highlights that the underlying problem is commuting and the amount of travel people indulge in. And underlying that is the insoluble issue of ever-increasing population.
 
Sources? That Prius story has been debunked and is based out dated supply lines and technology. Sure mining is dirty and China owns the bulk of the metals we need for these new technologies, but the idea that we should just keep doing what we've been doing is lame. Your post is harmful despite your throwaway statement that you are pro-green.

You are okay with those people poisoning the ground water?

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I'm sure as the costs come down independents will and are charging less. Just Googled Honda and Prius hybrid battery price is way down around $950 for the parts. So your price point is proven.
Cradle to grave was not debunked.

I'm not saying keep doing what we are doing. I'm saying as we adopt new tech we should look at the possible consequences. Only thing that's harmful is not doing our own research. What's counter productive is calling a request to look around us harmful.

Where are the promises that the Electric companies will generate cleanly?

Sources of Greenhouse Gas Emissions | US EPA

So transportation is 29% electricity is 25%. Electrical consumption won't increase with the change from gas to EVs?
 
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Know what? This doesn't have to be at all contentious. His joke was get a generator. A generator is cheaper than an EV. It was a joke.
We may or may not succeed at saving our species. Some one pointing out that my EV has a flat tire isn't my enemy or a climate change denier. We are in this together. In a good corporation you hire people to point out what is amiss or what could go wrong. You have someone alert you that this policy could have this effect on the environment, or the employees or the end users etc.
 
Know what? This doesn't have to be at all contentious. His joke was get a generator. A generator is cheaper than an EV. It was a joke.
We may or may not succeed at saving our species. Some one pointing out that my EV has a flat tire isn't my enemy or a climate change denier. We are in this together. In a good corporation you hire people to point out what is amiss or what could go wrong. You have someone alert you that this policy could have this effect on the environment, or the employees or the end users etc.
Oh, yeah? You lookin at me? You lookin at me?
 
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I'm trying to help you. So you're thinking about taking an electric car into a small club to run your phenomenal bass rig. You're going to run a festival stage on car batteries and show everyone how phenomenal your bass is. Good luck with it. Your humility will put you up there with the best. I'll come and see you when you're phenomenal enough.
 
I am wondering if TB would allow a separate thread on electric cars. Perhaps we could share our personal experiences with them both pro and con. Perhaps someone else’s true experience in your town that did not make national news feeds. This is new technology and there is too much hype. We need real world facts and experiences to make our own decisions and not politically or sales motivated statements. Maybe you own one and just finished a nice trip. Was the speed,load carrying ability,hill climbing and operating range what was promised ? Are you happy or not with the vehicle? We only get negative hype from the news people. Let’s help each other, any thoughts?
 
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You are okay with those people poisoning the ground water?

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I'm sure as the costs come down independents will and are charging less. Just Googled Honda and Prius hybrid battery price is way down around $950 for the parts. So your price point is proven.
Cradle to grave was not debunked.

I'm not saying keep doing what we are doing. I'm saying as we adopt new tech we should look at the possible consequences. Only thing that's harmful is not doing our own research. What's counter productive is calling a request to look around us harmful.

Where are the promises that the Electric companies will generate cleanly?

Sources of Greenhouse Gas Emissions | US EPA

So transportation is 29% electricity is 25%. Electrical consumption won't increase with the change from gas to EVs?
That’s a great article but doesn’t really discuss the points you made. Which are valid, but they also echo the arguments of everyone that just wants to "drill baby drill" and deny the realities of antropogenic climate change. Your post might have read differently if you had started by stating you are pro-green, rather than tacking it on at the end. I think you meant to remind us that none these technologies by themselves solves the problem when the problem is our willingness to destroy entire ecosystems to satisfy our wants.
 
The problem is there are a lot of bogus "green" technologies being pushed, combined with the attitude that anyone who says anything negative is a climate change denier. There's no point replacing one destructive technology with another. And that Land Rover / Prius story - debunked or not - highlights that the underlying problem is commuting and the amount of travel people indulge in. And underlying that is the insoluble issue of ever-increasing population.
You are correct. The technologies themselves won't solve anything. However poking holes in peoples attempts to find more eco friendly transportation solutions is a trued and true tactic of climate change deniers.
 
You are correct. The technologies themselves won't solve anything. However poking holes in peoples attempts to find more eco friendly transportation solutions is a trued and true tactic of climate change deniers.

If everyone actually was trying to find more eco-friendly solutions that would be good, unfortunately there are too many "solutions" that are just repackaged environment destruction. The biofuels scam being the most dangerous imo.

Just because deniers focus on something doesn't mean it should automatically be considered good.
 
I'm trying to help you. So you're thinking about taking an electric car into a small club to run your phenomenal bass rig. You're going to run a festival stage on car batteries and show everyone how phenomenal your bass is. Good luck with it. Your humility will put you up there with the best. I'll come and see you when you're phenomenal enough.
Dude...
 
Following the thread topic diversion of cars and fuels, the only thing gonna save the planet is mass transportation and fewer cars of all types. Think rail. I like what the UK does. Yes I have ridden on it. Not ideal but I could definitely do a gig using British rail. Think less stuff.
 
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