Kink Rimson said:I'd be happy to have a go...
Yup. I believe I could pull it off too.
"waits for the phone to ring"
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Entwistle's replacement
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Yup. I believe I could pull it off too.
"waits for the phone to ring"
I vote for Matt Freeman. He cites Ox as an influence and I think has a similar, agressive yet melodic approach.
Philbiker said:I hope someday when you've devoted 40+ years of your life into an established career someone comes and tells you to just "shut it down and forget about it".
A big +1 for that!!!! Man!....this is a tough room
Surpassed by Ray Davies? Run of the mill frontman? Dried up old trees? Normally I'd ask what kind of drugs you guys are on and where can I get some, but if it turned me into that, forget it!
No, Pete was never surpassed by Ray Davies. Though a fine talent in his own right, Ray Davies is too cabaret to get over with the world on a huge basis like Pete did. And apparently the world agrees because the Who played stadiums and the Kinks played theaters. As for Roger, I suppose for someone with no perspective of history he would seem run of the mill. But he only seems run of the mill because he was imitated by everyone out there after he invented that style of rock band fronting.
As for that dried up old trees comment, I would rather see those dried up old trees onstage than every single band that has come along in the last 10 years. One of these days you will be a dried up old tree. You think you will draw 50,000 people to a stadium at $150 a ticket when you're a dried up old tree? Hell, I wouldn't pay that kind of money to see you now!
Respect. That's what's missing out of today's music. Idiots today think oldies music is Limp Bizkit and Marilyn Manson, and they have no respect for those who came along before them and made it possible for them to suck.
No, Pete was never surpassed by Ray Davies. Though a fine talent in his own right, Ray Davies is too cabaret to get over with the world on a huge basis like Pete did. And apparently the world agrees because the Who played stadiums and the Kinks played theaters. As for Roger, I suppose for someone with no perspective of history he would seem run of the mill. But he only seems run of the mill because he was imitated by everyone out there after he invented that style of rock band fronting.
As for that dried up old trees comment, I would rather see those dried up old trees onstage than every single band that has come along in the last 10 years. One of these days you will be a dried up old tree. You think you will draw 50,000 people to a stadium at $150 a ticket when you're a dried up old tree? Hell, I wouldn't pay that kind of money to see you now!
Respect. That's what's missing out of today's music. Idiots today think oldies music is Limp Bizkit and Marilyn Manson, and they have no respect for those who came along before them and made it possible for them to suck.
Philbiker said:Never mind the brilliant songwriting and guitar playing and monster vocals........
Could they tour as The Who without Rabbit Bundrick?
+1
JimmyM said:
I respect the Who, I just don't think they are in the top tier of even British Invasion bands. I rank Beatles, Stones, and Kinks higher based on sheer volume of great songs.
I think I have some sense of history. Never saw the Beatles live but I've seen the other 3 and there the Who raise the bar. They are a tremendous live band. I just don't think their songbook is up to the level of the big 3.
No other individual has written as many great and varied rock songs as Ray Davies. Maybe Bob Dylan and Lou Reed could make a claim, but let's stick to British Invasion bands. Lennon/McCartney and Jagger/Richards either collaborated or when they wrote individually they were at least competing with each other.
I quit drinking beer, but I would reconsider quitting if we ever got the chance to crack open a couple. Thanks for the kind words!
JimmyM said:
Tea or coffee? I'm versatile. Think nothing of the words. A good rant is a good rant.
Futurebass said:
I'm with you on that, pardner. Ray is the man. Unfortunately, he never had a rythm section that could remotely compare with Entwistle/Moon. And in all fairness, he didn't require it. Pete certainly is no slouch songwriter either - I think both have stood the test of time pretty well.
From a musical standpoint, technically, Moonie was an atrocious drummer. You want to hear good drumming? Find anything Steve Gadd plays on. However, Moon's style worked perfecly in The Who. A good modern comparison is Metallica's drummer Lars Ulrich. Technically awful, but perfect for Metallica.
From the same musical standpoint, The Ox was a legendary bass player.
From any standpoint Townshend is one of the most brilliant songwriters ever. To say otherwise is hilarious.
From the same musical standpoint, The Ox was a legendary bass player.
From any standpoint Townshend is one of the most brilliant songwriters ever. To say otherwise is hilarious.
nysbob said:I'm with you on that, pardner. Ray is the man. Unfortunately, he never had a rythm section that could remotely compare with Entwistle/Moon. And in all fairness, he didn't require it. Pete certainly is no slouch songwriter either - I think both have stood the test of time pretty well.
Poor Ringo and Paul don't have any guitarists left, Pete and Roger and Ray and Dave don't have a rhythm section. Why don't the 6 of them get together and do a world tour?
Philbiker said:
I remember reading an interview with Elvin Jones back around 1970 during which the interviewer played part of Tommy and asked Elvin for comment - Elvin had never heard Moon . I can't remember what he said exactly, but it was very complimentary - basically "that cat can really play - very musical."
Futurebass said:
With all due respect to you and to the great Ray Davies, I am of the opinion that Ray's best song does not match up to the worst track on Quadrophenia.
But thank you for opening my eyes with your opinion. It will prompt me to revisit the Kinks' catalog. Cheers!
Philbiker said:From a musical standpoint, technically, Moonie was an atrocious drummer. QUOTE]
Unorthodox maybe, but atrocious?
Have you ever listened to Live At Leeds?
An atrocious drummer would not be able to keep up with Townshend and Entwistle's improvising.
An atrocious drummer could not lead such improvisations himself.
I'm all annoyed now.
jkritchey said:With all due respect to you and to the great Ray Davies, I am of the opinion that Ray's best song does not match up to the worst track on Quadrophenia.
But thank you for opening my eyes with your opinion. It will prompt me to revisit the Kinks' catalog. Cheers!
Songs like "You Really Got Me" and "All Day and All the Night" come pretty close to being the epitomy of rock 'n' roll. Then "Waterloo Sunset" is one of the most gorgeous pop songs ever. Plenty more too.
Kink Rimson said:Philbiker said:From a musical standpoint, technically, Moonie was an atrocious drummer. QUOTE]
Unorthodox maybe, but atrocious?
Have you ever listened to Live At Leeds?
An atrocious drummer would not be able to keep up with Townshend and Entwistle's improvising.
An atrocious drummer could not lead such improvisations himself.
I'm all annoyed now.
I agree. I don't know how people define technique. To me you must have enough technique and the right ones to play what's in your head accurately. For jazz and rock anyway. Maybe for classical you need to be able to play what any composer throws in front of you.
Watch the Who's performance of "A Quick One" on the new "Rolling Stones Rock 'n' Roll Circus" DVD. Moon plays absolutely insane stuff without ever getting lost or causing the others to get lost. For drummers that's the main thing, being able to keep it together. That's why so many of the poor bastards play like drum machines nowadays. If they would even attempt what Keith used to do they would lose their place in the music. And he looks like a 7 year old boy in a playpen. That's rock 'n' roll. Rock 'n' roll=fun, right?
