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Envelope filter/follower addict support group

I know not everyone loves a Bass Balls but it is my favorite defect pedal so this was a must have for my collection.
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Just in the BassBalls+ From @johnk_10 a truly boutique build that puts a top shelf burnish on the EHX BassBalls using premium parts with some notable tweaks. Sensitivity has a wider more usable range, Attack and Decay help to refine the shape and movement of the envelope while Treble and Bass refine the sweep of the dual filters and where they cross over. Overall it is quieter and has a better sound than my original and NYC with subtle nuances to attack, pickup or tone changes on my bass. Kicking in the Distortion and it goes into Beast Mode all those controls become even more apparent and useful in training the snarling beast. John seems to have built in some clean tone which I like and keeps the level at unity, often times an issue with Bass Balls I've tried in the past. Everything I have grown to expect from a JohnK build.
 
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I know not everyone loves a Bass Balls but it is my favorite defect pedal so this was a must have for my collection.
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Just in the BassBalls+ From @johnk_10 a truly boutique build that puts a top shelf burnish on the EHX BassBalls using premium parts with some notable tweaks. Sensitivity has a wider more usable range, Attack and Decay help to refine the shape and movement of the envelope while Treble and Bass refine the sweep of the dual filters and where they cross over. Overall it is quieter and has a better sound than my original and NYC with subtle nuances to attack, pickup or tone changes on my bass. Kicking in the Distortion and it goes into Beast Mode all those controls become even more apparent and useful in training the snarling beast. John seems to have built in some clean tone which I like and keeps the level at unity, often times an issue with Bass Balls I've tried in the past. Everything I have grown to expect from a JohnK build.
That's a thing of beauty! John K makes top notch stuff!
 
I've decided that the Macrodose just isn't for me. The options are super cool, and there are tons of capabilities that I'm just not going to use. Great sounding filter, but it would be a shame to not use it anywhere near it's full potential.

Also,
The Emma and the Fwonkbeta are both fairly similar ... so much so that it would probably be redundant to have them both. I like to think of them as a good general purpose EF.

I prefer the tone of the Emma but the feel of the Fwonkbeta.

It's kinda funny too - I pulled out the John K MuTron clone tonight to do some comparisons, and out of all of the filters (aside from the TruTon 3x), the John K is the closest to the OG MuTron, especially when it comes to feel (must be those vintage optocouplers) - and I find that I'm digging it less than I do some of the more modern ones.
 
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Decisions. decisions. I've never been a fan of just letting pedals sit on shelves, with some exceptions (notably for preamps as I tend to cycle thru them pretty regularly, plus I like to have a bunch around for different tones and different gigs), and I always like to finance new purchases at least partially with sales from previous purchase. Normally I don't have too much trouble deciding what to sell, but man, these are some nice envelope filters.

I've already decided that the Chunk Systems pair are keepers (in fact, I'm tossing up keeping the 00 Funk clone to have a spare as that thing is a beast!), and I don't think anything will replace my GR 2, but I gotta say that for the most part everything else is on the chopping block. My main goal is to try a bunch of nice envelope filters; my secondary goal is try and not keep too many :-)

Not sure I'm gonna make that goal ....
 
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Got the SolidgoldFX Supafunk today. It's gonna be a little harder to dial in, but definitely has potential once I figure it out. Thick and juicy with a lot of booty! I took time off work today to spend some time playing thru some envelope filters, gonna have fun with this one today! Ultimately, I gotta figure out which envelope filters I'm gonna end up keeping.

I still have the Seamoon Funk Machine inbound, but that's a different beast than the rest. I still have a few on my radar - the Dwarfcraft Happiness (practically unobtanium) for one, and I'm going to give the Meatball (clone) another shot, and possibly a Moog clone, and at some point, maybe a Chromatron (talk about unobtanium!!!) but otherwise I think this current envelope filter blitz is winding down. I gotta say, I'm really happy with the results, I've learned a lot, and I've had a tremendous amount of fun.

As a side note, this did wonders for my hand healing - I got in a lot of practice!

I'm going to get some more recordings done, and I'm going to post a lessons learned/summary of all my thoughts. I'm also going to pull in some older posts of envelope filters that I have tried in the past for comparison's sake. I won't have recordings of the older ones, but I posted mini reviews of some of them, and I think it will be helpful to have them all in one place. I'll also post some updates on ones that I "tried again."

AND - I'm going to attempt to not only rank them, but also throw some shout outs as to what some did the best and which didn't do so well in some categories. I'm thinking like: Favorite overall filter, Best filter for synthy sounds, Easiest to get a good sound out of, Most MuTron-alike (that's not a MuTron), Biggest Surprise, Biggest disappointment, etc.

LMK if y'all have any category suggestions, I think that would be a lot of fun! Thanks!!!
 
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Filter junkie here; my favorite is the Mr. Black Fwonkbeta, it's ridiculous how well it cuts through the mix and it's quite easy to set. Tied for second are the MXR and the JoshWah. I have several others, maybe even one or two that I haven't even tried yet 🤣
Following up on this one - the Fwonkbeta is indeed ridiculous, in a good way! It might be the easiest filter to get a great sounds out of that I've seen - it's the definition of plug and play!
 
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I dug up some old posts to summarize my thoughts on some other filters that I have owned in the past - figured it would be good to keep them all in one thread:

QTron (big silver box) - man, the tone on this thing killed. Just the right amount of stanky, very responsive - but the peaks were too much. Had I thought a bit more I would have figured out how to drop the volume when I turned it on, but as it is, it was just too tough to tame. IIRC, this one reminded me somewhat of a harder to tame Q-tron+, with a bit more bass and a bit more stank, but the peakiness to go with it.

MXR M82 - I like this one so much that I bought it twice. It's smooth - definitely didn't have as much of an issue with the peaks, it was very responsive, and very, very easy to get a good sound out of. However, it lacked the stankiness. I think in taming the peaks it lost a little something. Great pedal though, I used it as a grab-an-go filter for awhile because I knew that I could make it work no matter what the situation and I didn't have to worry about killing my speakers. In retrospect, it was kind of tame as compared to some of the others

EHX - Microtron - pretty much a small version of the regular Qtron+; same sound, less flexible, easier to dial in.

Source Audio C4 - Beat this one to death; fantastic pedal in so many ways, but I never got used to menus.

EMMA DiscumBOBulator v1 - One of the best envelope filters I've played through. So easy to get a good sound, tamed the peaks, but tons of stank and rich, quacky tone. This one was literally a space issue. I was choosing between this and a 3Leaf Proton v3, and the Proton won due to space, but the EMMA is every bit as good.

3Leaf Audio Proton v3 - Everything about the EMMA is pretty much true with this one, except it is more flexible tone wise. It's an exceptional pedal. v4 of the Proton has more juice on tap.

Joshwah - (full disclosure, at some point I'm going to pick up another one of these) - Kind of tame and smoooth, IIRC, less stanky, but no harsh, speaker killing peaks to deal with. Like the 3Leaf, it's very musical. The one thing that I don't care for is the gain knob - I keep mine all of the way off, but I am probably in the minority here. For a lot of ppl I think the gain/volume is really nice, does a synthy distorted filter kind of thing and makes the pedal more flexible. For those that don't care for it, it's easy enough to not use. However - I LOVE the volume knob. Big factor in controlling the peaks. I dunno what it is, but I have a hard time liking EF's with built in dirt (see the Enigma below).

Boss Auto Wah AW-2 and Boss Touch Wah. Both pedals sounded good, not great - they were a little thin and lacked booty. Both pedals did drop a little bass when engaged, but not much and definitely not enough to be noticed live., but still noticeable. What made these two unusable is the ultra harsh peaks - not musical at all, very static-like; much better suited for guitar than bass.

Electro-Harmonix Enigma. Great filter section - better than the Q-Tron+, but did not like the dirt section at all. Would have been a winner except for that, and still is a winner for the filter section.

Accufunkture Mini Filter and Agena Maestro Filter - There's not a lot of difference in the two aside from the size - they both cop the vintage Mutron thing pretty well, and it's very easy to get there - in fact, these two are two of the easiest pedals that I have every played to get a great filter sound out of (not quite as easy as the Fwonkbeta, which takes the prize).

Of the two, the Accufunkture sounds darker, a little meatier with higher peaks, while the Agena is snappier with a little more rubber to it. The Agena is a little easier to control and it's also quite a bit more flexible - the sensitivity knob on the Agena has a wider range and it can be more subtle and it also responds a little better. The Accufunkture is very small though, and I would be great for someone looking for a mini EF. The Agena sounds a little better and is quite a bit more flexible, the Accufunkture has size going for it, but both do a great Mutron sound.

Paperboy Meatwad (Meatball clone) - this was one of a few Meatball clones that I had over the years. This one had great artwork, but was a little tough to dial in consistently. I didn't own it long, and I'd like to give a Meatball clone another shot at some point.

PastFX PX101 - I remember liking this, but not loving it - kind of uninspiring, IIRC. That being said, this is also on my list to try again.

DOD 440 (vintage and reissue) - useless for bass, IMO. Too shrill, too much high end, too weak.
 
I believe we have made more envelope filters than any other pedal company. Not sure, but I think so:

1) Hot Hand Wah
2) Bass Envelope Filter
3) Guitar Envelope Filter
4) Tri-mod Wah
5) BEF Pro
6) Poly-mod Filter Pro
7) Manta
8) Stingray
9) Spectrum
10) C4
11) Artifakt

And that's not counting envelope
Going through my effects cabinet, I have 32 envelope filters, couple of Wahs and multi-effects units. Still, my all time favorite is the BEF Pro. Besides sounding awesome, the presets and the auto threshold feature, that allows me to use different basses with tweaking parameters. BEF Pro and the C4 are permanent fixtures on my pedalboard. I wish I could find my wireless hot hand unit, I enjoyed it so much.
 
The Seamoon Funk Machine is exactly as advertised - a funk machine! Seriously groovey, as others have said, it has this nice little percussive "pop" to it that kinda defies logic in that it never gets to be "too much." It's a pretty cool pedal, so far I'm digging it.

Now for the Supafunk - I get a killer, chewy, underwater like bubbly sound out of it - it even has a little bit of that pop like the Seamoon. It's pretty wicked, and it does bring the funk.

But - when I get the sound dialed in perfectly, I have an issue with dynamics - when I play the heaviest, I get these harsh peaks and it sounds like crap. Any suggestions from Supafunk owners - other than sticking a compressor behind it and/or altering my playing style (I'm too entrenched at my age :) )?

Thanks!
 
The Seamoon Funk Machine is exactly as advertised - a funk machine! Seriously groovey, as others have said, it has this nice little percussive "pop" to it that kinda defies logic in that it never gets to be "too much." It's a pretty cool pedal, so far I'm digging it.

Now for the Supafunk - I get a killer, chewy, underwater like bubbly sound out of it - it even has a little bit of that pop like the Seamoon. It's pretty wicked, and it does bring the funk.

But - when I get the sound dialed in perfectly, I have an issue with dynamics - when I play the heaviest, I get these harsh peaks and it sounds like crap. Any suggestions from Supafunk owners - other than sticking a compressor behind it and/or altering my playing style (I'm too entrenched at my age :) )?

Thanks!
I haven't experienced this...what bass are you using?
 
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I haven't experienced this...what bass are you using?
So far I'm getting it with two active basses - a Fodera YYS and Sadowsky Will Lee. I'm going to try a few passive basses and see what comes up.

It could be too that I play hard when I really, really dig in... somewhat of a bad habit comes from years and years of practicing without an amp.
 
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So far I'm getting it with two active basses - a Fodera YYS and Sadowsky Will Lee. I'm going to try a few passive basses and see what comes up.

It could be too that I play hard when I really, really dig in... somewhat of a bad habit comes from years and years of practicing without an amp.
I often switch between neck, bridge or both pickups to see which works the best with envelope filters. For some reason, my FKT Octavarium, does not sound good with my Stingray bass. But awesome on J, P and MTD.
 
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Perhaps it is just me, but I would never even look at a product that makes use of the Comic Sans typeface, of ALL THINGS! My graphic designer heart is bleeding, and my eyes hurt, painfully! :bawl:

Graphic designer / typographer here - yep, the only reason I haven't tried (and probably won't try ) the pedal. Small, I know, but I just wouldn't be able to look at it.
 
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That would be like dumping Marilyn Monroe, Ginger and Cindy Crawford because of their mole.
People are weird & can be petty about seemingly silly things.

Unfortunately, I agree with them. Comic Sans & Papyrus typefaces signal lazy design & blind me to the possibilities that may be contained within. If the design is lazy what else?
 
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