Epifani UL-410 VS UL2-310

[jmain]

I am slowly finding myself agreeing with this sentiment. While I love one UL112 on its own, adding the second one seems to take away from the definition that is had with the single UL112. Adding that second cab makes things a lot more bass heavy, and the mids all but seem to disappear in the mix. On its own, the two cabs together sound very sweet. However, I am not using my UL112 stack at all anymore since the UL410 simply blows them away in the mix. I still use one UL112 cab for rehearsals, but the second one just sits at home. I'm thinking about selling the "extra" UL112 I have and buying an 8 ohm UL210. That will give me killer modularity (is that even a word?). I can use each cab alone (UL112, UL210, and UL410), pair the UL112 and UL210 for a nice rig for some smaller venues, or I can pair the UL210 and UL410 with my Crest CA-9 for a really big venue or outside show.

Any thoughts on this?

Can't say I'm familiar with all the cabs, but sounds like a good idea to me with some great combinations.

 

[joelb79]

I am slowly finding myself agreeing with this sentiment. While I love one UL112 on its own, adding the second one seems to take away from the definition that is had with the single UL112. Adding that second cab makes things a lot more bass heavy, and the mids all but seem to disappear in the mix. On its own, the two cabs together sound very sweet. However, I am not using my UL112 stack at all anymore since the UL410 simply blows them away in the mix.

I completely agree with this statement. The single cab sounds much more balanced than two. I'm thinking that I will use the UL410 for most gigs out there, and I'm debating the UL-115 or PS-115 for a small cab solution.

I'm thinking about selling the "extra" UL112 I have and buying an 8 ohm UL210. That will give me killer modularity (is that even a word?). I can use each cab alone (UL112, UL210, and UL410), pair the UL112 and UL210 for a nice rig for some smaller venues, or I can pair the UL210 and UL410 with my Crest CA-9 for a really big venue or outside show.

Hmm.. UL112 + UL210 sounds like a decent rig in theory, but if the UL210 has as much lows as people say it does than It will probably come off sounding a bit too much pairing both as well. But testing it is where its at and if you have the option to try before you buy, then give it a shot. I'd think that the combination could sound good but its going to be very low heavy in practice.

 

[Tony G]

Hmm.. UL112 + UL210 sounds like a decent rig in theory, but if the UL210 has as much lows as people say it does than It will probably come off sounding a bit too much pairing both as well. But testing it is where its at and if you have the option to try before you buy, then give it a shot. I'd think that the combination could sound good but its going to be very low heavy in practice.

Interesting thought. My first issue is that while I love the single UL112 for rehearsals, sometimes it isn't loud enough. I was thinking that maybe replacing the UL112 with the UL210 for rehearsals would help me get a little louder if I needed too, and since it is only 8lbs heavier than the UL112, it isn't too much more to carry. But then, I was thinking about just keeping one UL112 around for the occasional pairing with the UL210, but you say this will result likely in the similar territory that the two UL112's had? I was not aware that the UL210 had such strong lows as you are suggesting.

 

[tombowlus]

I'm debating the UL-115 or PS-115 for a small cab solution.

I am digging that T/UL-115 (a T-115, with a B&C UL driver) really hard! It's quite possibly my favorite sounding Epifani cab.

 

[Vic]

Hmm.. UL112 + UL210 sounds like a decent rig in theory, but if the UL210 has as much lows as people say it does than It will probably come off sounding a bit too much pairing both as well. But testing it is where its at and if you have the option to try before you buy, then give it a shot. I'd think that the combination could sound good but its going to be very low heavy in practice.

+1

From everything I've read about the UL210 (note, I haven't actually played one myself yet), it'd be "worse" than 2 UL112's if your problem is a lack of mid "definition" and too much lows. From what I've read, the 210 is the most scooped sounding cab they make.

While it might not physically stack as well, a better "small/practice stack" might be a UL110 on top the UL112. We did this at the '06 Borg and I seem to recall it sounding very nice.

However... that said, if I already had a UL410, I think what I'd do instead of stacking cubes is get a single 310... that'd cover everything from the smallest tasks up to the medium and maybe even some larger stuff, and bring in the big guns with the 410 when needed.

 

[Big String]

+1
However... that said, if I already had a UL410, I think what I'd do instead of stacking cubes is get a single 310... that'd cover everything from the smallest tasks up to the medium and maybe even some larger stuff, and bring in the big guns with the 410 when needed.

+2
And of course this all depends on what you're trying to accomplish and the rest of your gear. For me it's working out quite well. You with MTD's might want or need something different than us Jazz bass guys, although some have all that stuff... cool.

 

[Tony G]

+1

From everything I've read about the UL210 (note, I haven't actually played one myself yet), it'd be "worse" than 2 UL112's if your problem is a lack of mid "definition" and too much lows. From what I've read, the 210 is the most scooped sounding cab they make.

While it might not physically stack as well, a better "small/practice stack" might be a UL110 on top the UL112. We did this at the '06 Borg and I seem to recall it sounding very nice.

However... that said, if I already had a UL410, I think what I'd do instead of stacking cubes is get a single 310... that'd cover everything from the smallest tasks up to the medium and maybe even some larger stuff, and bring in the big guns with the 410 when needed.

Well, I am very happy with my UL410 as my gig cab. Even though it is a bit on the large size for a single cab, I effectively take up less space than anyone else on the stage in my band. I have a nice compact setup, so size on the gig isn't a problem. This is the main reason why I haven't considered getting a UL310. My UL410 covers my gigs perfectly, and the UL112 covers me for rehearsals, almost...

I love being able to just walk into rehearsals in one trip, having the UL112 in one hand, my UL502 in the other, and my bass on my back. However, sometimes that single UL112 just doesn't get loud enough in my 7 piece rock bands rehearsal room. I've tried adding the second UL112 for rehearsals, but it gets too boomy. I thought maybe swapping the UL112 stack for a UL210 for rehearsals would help solve this, but that sounds as though that isn't the case. There just happens to be a UL110 in the classifieds right now. Maybe that is the answer I seek?

 

[ibz]

Interesting thought. My first issue is that while I love the single UL112 for rehearsals, sometimes it isn't loud enough. I was thinking that maybe replacing the UL112 with the UL210 for rehearsals would help me get a little louder if I needed too, and since it is only 8lbs heavier than the UL112, it isn't too much more to carry. But then, I was thinking about just keeping one UL112 around for the occasional pairing with the UL210, but you say this will result likely in the similar territory that the two UL112's had? I was not aware that the UL210 had such strong lows as you are suggesting.

What about stacking the 210 vertically on top of the 112 for better mid dispersal than flat on the ground? You should get more clarity less apparent low end this way. I think it may work.

 

[Tony G]

What about stacking the 210 vertically on top of the 112 for better mid dispersal than flat on the ground? You should get more clarity less apparent low end this way. I think it may work.

That is actually what I would have done. Whenever I use a 2x10 cab alone, I always stack it vertically. But I guess the question I come down to then, how does two 10" speakers in a single box compare to two 12" speakers in seperate boxes?

 

[KJung]

That is actually what I would have done. Whenever I use a 2x10 cab alone, I always stack it vertically. But I guess the question I come down to then, how does two 10" speakers in a single box compare to two 12" speakers in seperate boxes?

From my direct A/Bing of these, the two x 112 will be significantly louder, more upper mid definition, a little more warmth and growl, and about the same low end. I understand these differences are magnified with the new Series II model 210UL.

I rarely recommend the 210UL, since the 310UL is just a touch bigger, much louder, more mid definition, and just a little more expensive.

I've never heard the 110UL/112UL stack, but many seem to like it, and it would sure fix your 'lack of mids' issue with the 2x112UL stack while still putting out more oomph than a single one IMO.

 

[Tony G]

I've never heard the 110UL/112UL stack, but many seem to like it, and it would sure fix your 'lack of mids' issue with the 2x112UL stack while still putting out more oomph than a single one IMO.

It is definitely something to think about. Thanks.

 

[joelb79]

For the record if I had the bucks, that UL110 would be mine.

 

[Tony G]

For the record if I had the bucks, that UL110 would be mine.

May I ask what draws you to it?

 

[joelb79]

May I ask what draws you to it?

Practice rig and something to Mic when I'm at truly low volume gigs. The 410 is a bit much perhaps at church where i'm barely touching the volume knob.

OTOH...

I am digging that T/UL-115 (a T-115, with a B&C UL driver) really hard! It's quite possibly my favorite sounding Epifani cab.

SHUTUP TOM!! YOUR NOT MAKING THIS ANY EASIER YOU KNOW!

 

[tombowlus]

I've never heard the 110UL/112UL stack, but many seem to like it, and it would sure fix your 'lack of mids' issue with the 2x112UL stack while still putting out more oomph than a single one IMO.

I prefer the tonal balance of the UL110/UL112 to that of two UL112's, and for whatever reason, the UL110/UL112 is no less loud, and in fact, sounded louder! than the two UL112's when MikeBass, Cheezewiz, Burke and I A/B'd them a while back.

That combo (UL110/UL112) is my personal favorite iteration of the 'Epifani sound', with either the UL115 or S1 UL310 being next on the list.

 

[Big String]

X
These days I agree with you about single twelve cabs. I love my Berg Stack but prefer the single HT over the HT/EX together of course it's not as loud or full.

Why don't you try just elevating you UL112 for rehersal or get a amp stand to tilt it up and eq for any low end loss. Other than that, I would condsider the UL110, my good friend and excellent player Scott Pazera uses one or two regularly but he mostly does a trio but they kick for sure. Tell your band to turn down so everyone can hear... why should you buy equipment because they wanna crank it.

 

[Tony G]

X
These days I agree with you about single twelve cabs. I love my Berg Stack but prefer the single HT over the HT/EX together of course it's not as loud or full.

Why don't you try just elevating you UL112 for rehersal or get a amp stand to tilt it up and eq for any low end loss. Other than that, I would condsider the UL110, my good friend and excellent play Scott Pazera uses one or two regularly but he's in a trio but they kick for sure. But.. they are 12's. Tell your band to turn down so everyone can hear... why should you buy equipment because they wanna crank it.

Haha, I totally hear you. But when you are dealing with two guitars, keyboards, drummer, and everyone is singing harmonies, sometimes the single UL112 is just a little too small to cut through everyone if I'm standing on the other side of the room from it.

 

[jmain]

For the record if I had the bucks, that UL110 would be mine.

+1
I'd bring it for truly low volume (I could probably get away with it at church), or stack it with my PS112 for a little more goodness.

 

[Vic]

I rarely recommend the 210UL, since the 310UL is just a touch bigger, much louder, more mid definition, and just a little more expensive.

+1

Well, I am very happy with my UL410 as my gig cab. Even though it is a bit on the large size for a single cab, I effectively take up less space than anyone else on the stage in my band. I have a nice compact setup, so size on the gig isn't a problem. This is the main reason why I haven't considered getting a UL310. My UL410 covers my gigs perfectly, and the UL112 covers me for rehearsals, almost...

I love being able to just walk into rehearsals in one trip, having the UL112 in one hand, my UL502 in the other, and my bass on my back. However, sometimes that single UL112 just doesn't get loud enough in my 7 piece rock bands rehearsal room. I've tried adding the second UL112 for rehearsals, but it gets too boomy. I thought maybe swapping the UL112 stack for a UL210 for rehearsals would help solve this, but that sounds as though that isn't the case. There just happens to be a UL110 in the classifieds right now. Maybe that is the answer I seek?

Well, by adding a UL110, now you're to the point where the one-handed single-cab convenience is moot, so I figured with a 310, at least you'd still have the single-cab convenience, where you lose that by going 112+110.

Don't get me wrong, I didn't bring up the gig thing to suggest you SHOULD replace the 410 with the 310 on smaller gigs... just that you COULD if you wanted to, as a side benefit of having one for your rehearsal needs... and enjoy some added convenience over the 410 in some cases. Just a thought.

I also bring this up because I recently got a UL112, and was considering getting a second one, but someone with vision not obscured by silly GAS suggested using one of my 310's instead just made a bunch more sense. Well, he (KJung) was absolutely right.

 

[tombowlus]

Haha, I totally hear you. But when you are dealing with two guitars, keyboards, drummer, and everyone is singing harmonies, sometimes the single UL112 is just a little too small to cut through everyone if I'm standing on the other side of the room from it.

*cough* IP112 *cough*