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Epifani UL-410 VS UL2-310

#141
KJung said:
I can honestly say I have not heard that many say... man, the weight is fine, but I wish they were smaller.
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No problem, I believe you. But I happen to be saying just that. You may not agree with me, but last I checked, I thought I was entitled to my own opinion, just as you are entitled to yours.

I understand you are promoting Jim's new 410
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:scowl: You misunderstand (again!), and I take offense to your continued insinuations that whenever I post my opinions on any product (especially one designed by Jim Bergantino), that I am somehow part of a promotion or marketing campaign. It's my freakin' opinion. Get over it.

and again, if there are those who believe their standard 410's are the right weight, but are just too big, then Jim will have a big seller.
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Thank you for the sarcasm. :rollno: Actually, the SA410/HS410 are lighter than your average ceramic 4x10, and they are smaller than most 'standard' size 4x10's.

I am well aware of your opinion, Ken, that the light weight of the UL410 is of extreme importance to you, and that you love its tone. That is fine. Do I accuse you of 'promoting' or 'being in bed with' Epifani because of it? Heck no! But you have made those exact accusations against me because I do happen to prefer the smaller dimensions and better (for me) ergonomics of the smaller Berg boxes. And yes, I prefer the tone of the Bergs, though as I have said many times, I totally love the UL310 and the UL2-410.

Ken, I respect your opinion, and I would expect you to do the same for me. If you disagree with something I say, then just disagree and be done with it, and leave the claws retracted, okay? :rollno:
 
#146
Okay, the cab's here and I thought I would say a few things to mark the occasion and revive this thread, which started out as a comparison for the UL2-310 vs a UL-410. My cab just happens to be a UL-410 w/ B&C's.

Again, nothing but great things to say about Epifani, but I think this cab has me at an entirely different level and I've been at before as far as gear.

Punchy? CHECK!
Deep? CHECK!
Bright? CHECK!
Full? CHECK!

This cab has everything. I can now confirm that what KJung says about this cab having a nice mid-bass bump is completely true. In fact, the mere lacking of this sound was something that I had been searching for tonally for a while, which pairs up VERY WELL with Jazz basses. I have heard the UL310 at Tom's basement as well as a NYC-310 at numerous gigs around town, and i can honestly say that the UL410 is in an ENTIRELY different league than all other cabs I have tested.

So my search is over for a while, at least until this honeymoon wears off.

(PS Tom, get yourself one of these. Its a single cab solution that reminds me of your HT210/HT115 stack in its depth and detail and punch.)
 
#147
Hey Joel, congrats.
I'm pretty happy with my S1 410UL too. It sounds great with either the LMII or TF. I also have an S1 310UL and it is much wider sounding for sure and noticelbly not as loud but for smaller gigs like tonight it's perfect and with the LMII I can dial in a really nice clone-tone of the 410. I've found my 410 just way too loud for some joints. Anyway so far both are working out great.

I'm going to try an 310 S2 next week for the heck of it.
 
#148
joelb79 said:
(PS Tom, get yourself one of these. Its a single cab solution that reminds me of your HT210/HT115 stack in its depth and detail and punch.)
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Are you talking S1 or S2? I have tried the S1 UL-410, and it just is not my cup of tea. I like the S2 UL-410 much, much better. Ideally, I'd like to hear one up against a Berg HS410. The UL-410 is lighter, but I find the dimensions of the HS410 easier to carry (and pretty much any cab under 100 lbs doesn't bother me, so long as I can get a good grip). They both sound great, though.

Tom.

Edit: I see that yours is a S1 UL-410. Many people seem to love them, and I am glad that it works well for you.
 
#149
joelb79 said:
Okay, the cab's here and I thought I would say a few things to mark the occasion and revive this thread, which started out as a comparison for the UL2-310 vs a UL-410. My cab just happens to be a UL-410 w/ B&C's.

Again, nothing but great things to say about Epifani, but I think this cab has me at an entirely different level and I've been at before as far as gear.

Punchy? CHECK!
Deep? CHECK!
Bright? CHECK!
Full? CHECK!

This cab has everything. I can now confirm that what KJung says about this cab having a nice mid-bass bump is completely true. In fact, the mere lacking of this sound was something that I had been searching for tonally for a while, which pairs up VERY WELL with Jazz basses. I have heard the UL310 at Tom's basement as well as a NYC-310 at numerous gigs around town, and i can honestly say that the UL410 is in an ENTIRELY different league than all other cabs I have tested.

So my search is over for a while, at least until this honeymoon wears off.

(PS Tom, get yourself one of these. Its a single cab solution that reminds me of your HT210/HT115 stack in its depth and detail and punch.)
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Joel, glad to hear you've got a cab that you're digging. You've previously written about how you enjoyed using two UL112 cabs and I'm curious if the dual 1-12 arrangement might be preferred for some types of music. Are the mids as present (ie, non-scooped) in the UL410 as they are in two UL112's? Thanks.
 
#150
joelb79 said:
Okay, the cab's here and I thought I would say a few things to mark the occasion and revive this thread, which started out as a comparison for the UL2-310 vs a UL-410. My cab just happens to be a UL-410 w/ B&C's.

Again, nothing but great things to say about Epifani, but I think this cab has me at an entirely different level and I've been at before as far as gear.

Punchy? CHECK!
Deep? CHECK!
Bright? CHECK!
Full? CHECK!

This cab has everything. I can now confirm that what KJung says about this cab having a nice mid-bass bump is completely true. In fact, the mere lacking of this sound was something that I had been searching for tonally for a while, which pairs up VERY WELL with Jazz basses. I have heard the UL310 at Tom's basement as well as a NYC-310 at numerous gigs around town, and i can honestly say that the UL410 is in an ENTIRELY different league than all other cabs I have tested.

So my search is over for a while, at least until this honeymoon wears off.
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Very cool! That particular version of the 410UL with the LMII is one of the nicest sounding rigs for a modern but warm tone.. especially a J bass type tone, that I've found... you really get that 'hear the windings on the E and B string tone on a J when you dig in). The S1 410UL can be a little bit too aggressive for some in the mids with some heads, but the voicing of the LMII, and the center points of the tone control make that head seem like it was literally made for the 410UL S1 to me. And the high SPL really allows the little LMII to scream... bonus!
 
#152
koobie said:
Are the mids as present (ie, non-scooped) in the UL410 as they are in two UL112's? Thanks.
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I found that the UL-112's were so bass heavy that I could not realistically hear the mids that well at all. In fact even if the UL410 is mid scoped (which it doesn't sound like it is) there is so much more mids because of the extra two cones that it makes the UL-112's sound mid scoped. So much so that I it was like taking a blindfold off and seeing for the first time.

KJung said:
Very cool! That particular version of the 410UL with the LMII is one of the nicest sounding rigs for a modern but warm tone.. especially a J bass type tone, that I've found... you really get that 'hear the windings on the E and B string tone on a J when you dig in). The S1 410UL can be a little bit too aggressive for some in the mids with some heads, but the voicing of the LMII, and the center points of the tone control make that head seem like it was literally made for the 410UL S1 to me. And the high SPL really allows the little LMII to scream... bonus!
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+1 to the EQ. It really opened up the sound for me. I found every knob useful but I left it flat for the most part.

I did actually notice much more detail on my E string (don't have a B) at church but I did not get to dig in much. +1. Very Cool.

In Re: to the mids being too aggressive, they could be more aggressive to my tastes, but again the EQ makes that possible now, so I'm not sure they need to be any more aggressive.

I could not for the life of me get the volume above 8 o'clock on the LMII with the pre gain at 12 So I have no idea yet on overall volume. Considering this was the lowest volume setting I have used on the LMII yet and I was hearing myself better than ever I have no doubt it its effectiveness!

The sound guy for once did not complain about my volume. The room being boomier than any other I've played, any extra low end is usually met with much apprehension on his part. This cab was so balanced sounding, he even said that his EQ became more useful when he did a 50/50 mix of DI/SM57 mic. Big smiles when I never had to reach for the EQ the whole show, and never hear myself better than I did.

On another note, I got rid of my awful preamp on my bass and went passive and this was another move that was the best I could have made in my book. Knocked 4 lbs off the weight of the bass, and Vol-Vol made for many more usable tones that I had forgotten about.
 
#153
Over the weekend at a smaller gig I again used my UL310 S1 and LMII only this time with my Sadowsky VJ4 w/roundwounds and Nordstand Single Coils. I eq'd the 310 to sound similar to my 410 S1 and it worked just great. It's nice to have both the 310 and 410 as the 410 is just too loud for some of my gigs. One of my bass pal's was in the audience for a bit and said the rig cut and sounded good which was a big compliment coming from him.. great player. Also, the 310's noticably smaller size makes for a perfect fit in very tight stage setting. Cool.

I continue to be intrigued with the new HS line by Jim. :help:
 
#156
jmain said:
I just scored a S1 UL-310 from xqusemuah!! Can't wait to check it out with the LMII. I think its gonna work well for the small and larger stages. All my gigs lately have been direct or using my rig as a monitor (w/PA support).
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Nice... that is a great cab, and a great match with the head. Let us know how you like it. There is just something going on with the LMII and the S1 Epi's... pretty amazing IMO.
 
#157
KJung said:
Nice... that is a great cab, and a great match with the head. Let us know how you like it. There is just something going on with the LMII and the S1 Epi's... pretty amazing IMO.
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I definitely will. Gigs w/amps are really spread out right now. Next one is 9/2, but I'm sure I'll have some opinions before that.:)

Thanks for all the help fellas!!!!
 
#158
joelb79 said:
I found that the UL-112's were so bass heavy that I could not realistically hear the mids that well at all. In fact even if the UL410 is mid scoped (which it doesn't sound like it is) there is so much more mids because of the extra two cones that it makes the UL-112's sound mid scoped. So much so that I it was like taking a blindfold off and seeing for the first time.
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I am slowly finding myself agreeing with this sentiment. While I love one UL112 on its own, adding the second one seems to take away from the definition that is had with the single UL112. Adding that second cab makes things a lot more bass heavy, and the mids all but seem to disappear in the mix. On its own, the two cabs together sound very sweet. However, I am not using my UL112 stack at all anymore since the UL410 simply blows them away in the mix. I still use one UL112 cab for rehearsals, but the second one just sits at home. I'm thinking about selling the "extra" UL112 I have and buying an 8 ohm UL210. That will give me killer modularity (is that even a word?). I can use each cab alone (UL112, UL210, and UL410), pair the UL112 and UL210 for a nice rig for some smaller venues, or I can pair the UL210 and UL410 with my Crest CA-9 for a really big venue or outside show.

Any thoughts on this?
 

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