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Explain me the 'Fender is God' thing
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Fail on your burn.
You cant state something you say is a burn. Thats illegal. Its in the man laws.
agreed the burn has to be announced by a third party... common sense.
And I laughed very much with the pun about guitar players loving fender bass amps.
And I laughed very much with the pun about guitar players loving fender bass amps.
Now wait a minute...Mongo and I posted just about the same thing at just about the same time. You quoted Mongo and said "burn"; I didn't see that until after I'd already posted without seeing what Mongo had posted, so I added "double burn" afterwards in a different post. Since the initial burn was already acknowledged (by you) I added "double burn" in a different post. I believe any court will find that in this case the double burn stands.
Snakeman1066 let me ask you a question? First up I must be living under a rock as an R&B, soul and funk bassist to have never heard of 95% of that list so my question is how many of those groups are "theatrical" ie headbangers, death metal, thrash metal or of any of the "new" names they have givin to certain types of music? And as far as korn goes please just leave that ALONE!
Really? never heard of Blue Oyster Cult? or Triumph? or UFO? or Gary Willis, or Carol Kaye?
I can understand maybe not knowing any of the others as they are mostly punk and Metal artists.....but please tell me your not one of those guys that thinks that they aren't real bassist because they play metal or punk......becuase some of these guys are really talented...
I myself play Stoner/Sludge/Doom....(and this genre has some killer bas players)....but i listen to every form of music out there can can appreciate a good line regardless of where and or who it comes from....
but to give you an idea my holy trinity is Geezer Butler, GeddyLee, and Chris Squire....
I'm really no trying to single you out or make this personal, but you seem to really be vehement.....it is hard to read a guys tone in an internet forum if you know what i mean.....
was just simply trying to point out indeed people play something professionally other than Fender....and in the country of Japan Ibanez is very well respected...actually in every counrty but the U.S.A for some odd reason
I can understand maybe not knowing any of the others as they are mostly punk and Metal artists.....but please tell me your not one of those guys that thinks that they aren't real bassist because they play metal or punk......becuase some of these guys are really talented...
I myself play Stoner/Sludge/Doom....(and this genre has some killer bas players)....but i listen to every form of music out there can can appreciate a good line regardless of where and or who it comes from....
but to give you an idea my holy trinity is Geezer Butler, GeddyLee, and Chris Squire....
I'm really no trying to single you out or make this personal, but you seem to really be vehement.....it is hard to read a guys tone in an internet forum if you know what i mean.....
was just simply trying to point out indeed people play something professionally other than Fender....and in the country of Japan Ibanez is very well respected...actually in every counrty but the U.S.A for some odd reason
Add Fieldy and those are the only ones I've ever heard of on that list. So I guess I've never heard of 95% of them either.
But I like Ibanez so it's OK.
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
that's not triumph, that's kid deposit triumph, and yeah, i've never heard of them either.
the bass player for triumph, mike levine, has always played fenders, to the best of my knowledge.
the bass player for triumph, mike levine, has always played fenders, to the best of my knowledge.
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
as far as the original post is concerned, one thing to understand that fender gives large retailers huge discounts when they buy in bulk. so for folks at guitar center, a bass that lists for, say, $1000 cost them around $200 bucks.
that's why stores like that end up pushing fenders so hard.
that's why stores like that end up pushing fenders so hard.
A bassist to me is anyone up there with a bass in his or her hands, I do not equate skill with the position! You have good and bad bassist in every type of music. From the list you provided I know very few artist there and you yourself admit most are punk and metal artist. I was once at a Sam Ash store where they were set up outside and the manager (good friend of mine) asked me to play a couple of songs, I respectfully declined as I was out with my wife just having fun when some young fellas plugged in and turned everything up to ten and started to play! The singer grabbed the mike and screamed into it aaaaaarrrrrrrgggg! My wife looked at me and we both busted out laughing! all the way back to the car!!! I completely understand they were having a good time but I'm a tad too old to have my ear drums busted out now!
You say you play stoner/sludge/doom music? I have no idea what that is. I did ask if the musicians mentioned where more "theatrical" than musical than indeed this goes back to a previous post of mine where I speak of dress codes, lifestyles as well as other things. I was not trying to disrespect anyone, I myself have been through the drug induced stupor thing (16 years sober), played classic rock with my amp on ten but now I play for group. I don't play loud but just enough to fill my space.
I also go to a lot of open jams, thus the reason why I said Ibanez basses are nil where I'm from. As a matter of fact one of my friends does have one (besides his Marcus Miller he bought after the Ibby) and everyone has noticed when he plugs up at the open jam with the Ibby it gets lost in the mix! Very muffled sounding with the pops being very muffle sounding! he's a straight up beast playing the fender though!
i could try to explain it myself but Wiki does a nice job
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoner_rock
Stoner/Sludge/Doom rock and stoner metal are interchangeable terms describing sub-genres of rock and metal music. It combines elements of psychedelic rock, blues-rock and doom metal. Stoner rock is typically slow-to-mid tempo and features low-tuned guitars, a very bass-heavy sound, melodic vocals, and 'retro' production. The genre emerged during the early 1990s and was pioneered foremost by the Californian bands Kyuss and Sleep.
Like most subgenres of music, the origins of stoner rock are hard to trace and pinpoint. Nevertheless, stoner rock has its known progenitors and signature songs that helped shape the genre. English heavy metal band Black Sabbath and American heavy metal/acid rock band Blue Cheer hold a significant place in the evolution of stoner rock.
Although Black Sabbath were one of the first bands to popularize this type of music, they were not the first to produce it, nor can they be accurately described as a stoner band. Various 60's and 70's bands experimented with guitar sounds that inspired future generations, with Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Grateful Dead, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin firmly among them. Hendrix's "Band of Gypsys" pumped out riff-laden, jam session type tunes with obvious psychedelic overtones, while Led Zeppelin's "Physical Graffiti" displayed a lighter side to the emerging genre. However, it wasn't until after the electropop of the 80's and eventually grunge of the early 90's had taken the stage that people noticed a new style of music was being created from elements of different genres. Allmusic summarizes this fusion as follows:
Stoner metal bands updated the long, mind-bending jams and ultra-heavy riffs of bands like Black Sabbath, Blue Cheer, Blue Öyster Cult, and Hawkwind by filtering their psychedelia-tinged metal and acid rock through the buzzing sound of early Sub Pop-style grunge.
you should check out Al Cisneros and Chris Cockrell both are absolutely awesome bass players (although they both play a swear by Ric's)
it's all good man....no hard feelings
and for the record I'm over 40...lol
and although i myself don't care for a lot of the speed, thrash, death metal bands around today (vocals usually turn me off) some of those playes out there are extremely talented and well versed players...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoner_rock
Stoner/Sludge/Doom rock and stoner metal are interchangeable terms describing sub-genres of rock and metal music. It combines elements of psychedelic rock, blues-rock and doom metal. Stoner rock is typically slow-to-mid tempo and features low-tuned guitars, a very bass-heavy sound, melodic vocals, and 'retro' production. The genre emerged during the early 1990s and was pioneered foremost by the Californian bands Kyuss and Sleep.
Like most subgenres of music, the origins of stoner rock are hard to trace and pinpoint. Nevertheless, stoner rock has its known progenitors and signature songs that helped shape the genre. English heavy metal band Black Sabbath and American heavy metal/acid rock band Blue Cheer hold a significant place in the evolution of stoner rock.
Although Black Sabbath were one of the first bands to popularize this type of music, they were not the first to produce it, nor can they be accurately described as a stoner band. Various 60's and 70's bands experimented with guitar sounds that inspired future generations, with Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Grateful Dead, Deep Purple, Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin firmly among them. Hendrix's "Band of Gypsys" pumped out riff-laden, jam session type tunes with obvious psychedelic overtones, while Led Zeppelin's "Physical Graffiti" displayed a lighter side to the emerging genre. However, it wasn't until after the electropop of the 80's and eventually grunge of the early 90's had taken the stage that people noticed a new style of music was being created from elements of different genres. Allmusic summarizes this fusion as follows:
Stoner metal bands updated the long, mind-bending jams and ultra-heavy riffs of bands like Black Sabbath, Blue Cheer, Blue Öyster Cult, and Hawkwind by filtering their psychedelia-tinged metal and acid rock through the buzzing sound of early Sub Pop-style grunge.
you should check out Al Cisneros and Chris Cockrell both are absolutely awesome bass players (although they both play a swear by Ric's)
it's all good man....no hard feelings
and for the record I'm over 40...lol
and although i myself don't care for a lot of the speed, thrash, death metal bands around today (vocals usually turn me off) some of those playes out there are extremely talented and well versed players...
Danelectro released bass guitars in the mid 50s, Rickenbacker released the 4000 in 1957 and Kay and Gibson had basses by the late 50s as well.
john turner
You don't want to do that. Trust me.
Originally Posted by Snakeman1066
what you guys keep forgetting and that we Non-Fender people keep trying to point out is that Fender for the most part was basically the only game in town for over 20 years....people used them in all those recordings because that's all there was...
you guys seem to be glossing over this point or ignoring it...but i did say...for the most part was the only game in town
it's like Coke for example....everybody often refers to all cola as Coke even though it may be something else brand name wise and RC and Pepsi were around then too...
Coke was invented in 1886 but wasn't widely distributed until 1910 (and was actually a variation or non alcoholic of an already established european drink derived from the kola-nut and benzoylmethyl ecgonine(cocaine) as well as caffeine called Vin Mariani's cocawine) which means it's inventor didn't create the formula he just got it out on the market first (remind you of someone?)
RC came along in 1905
and Pepsi was invented in 1893 but didn't reach wide distribution until 1903 by offering a 12 ouce bottle over coke's 6 ounce bottle for the same price (a nickel)
but usually in the south all cola's are referred to as Coke (having been invented in Atlanta)
what you guys keep forgetting and that we Non-Fender people keep trying to point out is that Fender for the most part was basically the only game in town for over 20 years....people used them in all those recordings because that's all there was...
you guys seem to be glossing over this point or ignoring it...but i did say...for the most part was the only game in town
it's like Coke for example....everybody often refers to all cola as Coke even though it may be something else brand name wise and RC and Pepsi were around then too...
Coke was invented in 1886 but wasn't widely distributed until 1910 (and was actually a variation or non alcoholic of an already established european drink derived from the kola-nut and benzoylmethyl ecgonine(cocaine) as well as caffeine called Vin Mariani's cocawine) which means it's inventor didn't create the formula he just got it out on the market first (remind you of someone?)
RC came along in 1905
and Pepsi was invented in 1893 but didn't reach wide distribution until 1903 by offering a 12 ouce bottle over coke's 6 ounce bottle for the same price (a nickel)
but usually in the south all cola's are referred to as Coke (having been invented in Atlanta)
If you were in a quest for ultimate 5 string, I understand why Fenders did not appeal to you. You have probably different tone goals in mind. There are many others brands that make modern 5 string bass better.
On the other hand, if you were in a search for ultimate 4 string, this whole thread suggests what bass it could be and why...
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