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Favorite TRACE Amp of all time -

I love the preamp GP12SM (the one of the schemo of late Sept 1992) and the power 250SMX (with K135 and J50 mosfets). Any bass player who used mine live LOVED it (coupled with a 15' 3015 Kappalite or 4*10s).
3 things though:
1- I added a op-amp coupled DI just after the first IC: That way, the sound guy has the direct bass sound
2- I got rid of the original DI, and added an op-amp coupled a DI from the top of the master pot: That way the sound guy has the post-pre bass sound too.
3- I got rid of the valve input circuitry (since it´s a single front/first stage, I could not see the point: It would not distort anyway with a passive bass, I liked the sound of the all-silicium path, and given that the rest is all IC´s/transistors....).
Best of all, it's an amp one can fix, mod and .... enjoy!
 
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I sure wouldn't mind seeing a real GP7 or GP12 preamp combined with some class D power, hopefully in a little smaller form factor. I have an old Series 6 GP7 preamp. It really sounds great, but I've never been a separate preamp/power amp kind of guy.

Now that I say that, I'm going to have to see what I think of it with the powered monitor I just picked up.

THIS! Take the GP series and incorporate it into the Peavey 1000w MiniMega power amp...forget all the harmonic enhancements and all that gobbledy-gook thats on the MiniMega (which I own and love)....put it in a lightweight Trace casing...and you have have a winner!

Edit...since Peavey already has the Headliner 1000 that doesnt seem to be selling, theres your starting point. We all know that Peavey is capable of making amazing products that are ahead of their time, but you REALLY have an opportunity to make something special with the Trace brand right now.
 
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MOAR. Please? ;)
 
SMX... I have three 400-Watters and yeah when hooked up to multiple 410+115 or 118 stacks they are definitely rock. I don't really take these out anymore though... although I love their sound and power

I also have a Quatra and an MP 11 that haven't played much with yet. I need to get a foot controller for the MP 11.

After getting zero response on my ELF/Transit-B yes/no thread I decided to take the plunge. Who knows... this micro setup could be come my next favorite...
 
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One more thing: that 2 band compressor on the GP12 was just killer. Easy way to balance Low/high and on stage it allows to have just one jack between bass and amp. No additional compressor, EQ, pedal, cables, batteries, power strip needed. And that is priceless on a tight schedule: Bass, Jack, Amp, LS jack, Cab, that's it. (The pick, if needed, you can borrow from the guy staring at your amp near the stage).

Edit: Even better if it could be bypassed (for those who like a specific compressor).
And NO fan please... (Which I hate with a vengeance for quiet rehearsal/studio).
 
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I'm pretty happy with my AH 600-12. The only thing I don't like about it is the volume boost and upper mid boost when the drive is engaged (regardless of gain and blend settings). And that the XO frequency is hidden away in the circuitry, not adjustable, and not even disclosed in the manual. My instincts and limited playing around with the high and low outputs leads me to believe the XO is almost unusably high and more akin to the GK system of having a separate horn, but without the built in amp and speaker compatibility that stuff has.

I think a diverse but not ridiculous product line is the way to go. Don't be Fender and put out 8000 things without clear differences that make it hard to decide what to buy. 3 lines with 2 or 3 amps each is the most you should really need.

Lightweight/ELF line. Add a 500w version with some more features/more comprehensive EQ, and maybe an 800 or 1000w version with a full feature set.

Basically just the previous generation AH series with some minor tweaks like mentioned above. But lower the power of the entry level amp. So maybe an AH 300-7. Then maybe an AH 500 12 (single power section), AH 600 12 (2 of the 300w power sections, AH 1000 12 (single power section), and AH 1200 12 (2 600w power sections).

Then the Valve series. Maybe just a 100w and a 300w based on the Hexavalve. I'm with Downunder, Fender tone stacks are of the devil.
 
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SMX... I have three 400-Watters and yeah when hooked up to multiple 410+115 or 118 stacks they are definitely rock. I don't really take these out anymore though... although I love their sound and power

I also have a Quatra and an MP 11 that haven't played much with yet. I need to get a foot controller for the MP 11.

After getting zero response on my ELF/Transit-B yes/no thread I decided to take the plunge. Who knows... this micro setup could be come my next favorite...

Thinking about this a little more... if I could get a micro-DI pedal that was basically the SMX inside, I'd be in heaven. Time will tell if the Transit-B comes close...
 
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Any of the series V/VI valve (tube) heads - VA series or Twin/Quatra/Hexa valve were all spellbinding amplifiers - I've never tried the V4/V6/V8/Vtype stuff so can't comment on those.

As for SS, to echo what's already been said, a fully featured GP12SMX pre and a class D power section would be a fab combination.
 
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None. :laugh:

For me, Trace gear is solid rehearsal room gear, and almost universally loved only by slightly older blokes who remember when the brand was breaking new ground in the '80s and '90s. I've played through way too many Trace combos and heads with those annoying 'all or nothing' EQ push switches, the graphic EQ that doesn't really help (the 80 hz thing does nothing on a 115 combo that can't reproduce the fundamental of anything below the A string), and they all seem just a tad short on power when you want them to really deliver the goods. Nothing like having the port chuffing away when you try and keep up with a 30 watt Vox guitar combo.

The differences seem to be whether it is the combo with the scary UV light on the front, or the built in compressor... they all look fairly heinous and dated.

Like Ashdown, I've never played through a Trace amp I've genuinely liked. Like Ashdown they all seem to be loud, slightly unmusical Vanilla. Like Ashdown I seem to encounter bassists who think they are getting a nice warm, grinding and organic tone from their Trace gear, when in fact they are getting a clean, un-nuanced honk instead that they've simply grown massively too comfortable with.
 
Like Ashdown, I've never played through a Trace amp I've genuinely liked. Like Ashdown they all seem to be loud, slightly unmusical Vanilla. Like Ashdown I seem to encounter bassists who think they are getting a nice warm, grinding and organic tone from their Trace gear, when in fact they are getting a clean, un-nuanced honk instead that they've simply grown massively too comfortable with.

I'll agree on the Ashdown... and I'll add, I would be highly unlikely to use a built in compressor.
 
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Ideal would be an SM/SMX mashup. Dual compressor with 7 band EQ. And there should be a "half shape" setting that is a more subtle scoop. Or a shape knob with that same curve but controlled continuously. Ditch the mid boost shape.

The 410 was always the best cab but nobody wants a 100lb 410 anymore. Get that great punchy sound some other way.
 
Giving this topic a little more thought, I'm struggling to come up with a definitive answer, as I'm aware that it's been a really long time since I've heard many of the configurations in question - let alone used them.

Memory is not the most reliable form of evidence, especially given the time between different series, and the time since the brand's ubiquity - there's inevitably a large dose of nostalgia for any given device.

I still own, record, and gig with a mark IV stack (AH250 GP11 amp, 1048 + 1518 cabs).

The mark V supposedly had some improvements to the signal path, and some folk feel the EQ is sweeter, than on the mark IV.

Other than up-rated power,a 12th band of EQ, and latching switches, I don't remember what Series 6 improved upon, over mark V (the overall design aesthetic was an improvement).

I do remember one of the original Trace engineers, saying that the changes to the power section was, in their opinion, the biggest mistake they ever made, in terms of signal integrity - though I can't truly remember if that comment was directed at Series 6, or the SMX range).

SMX introduced bags of features (valve & solid state input section, multi-band compression, tone balance control, Kevlar impregnated speaker cones, HF horns in the 10" driver cabinets, up-rated power handling).

The Gibson era solid state amps added tons of connectivity options, but took an aesthetic nosedive.

The VA, and Duo / Quad / Hexa valve amps, of the mark V, and Series 6 eras, were a brilliant fusion of cutting edge tonal sculpting, combined with everything we love about valve amps - it's just that I was done with valve amps at the time, or I would have shown more interest.

Likewise, with the V-type (V4 / V6 / V8 / Hybrid) range - I was no longer looking for valve tones, and it seemed as if Trace Elliot was deciding it needed to compete directly with Ampeg, which at the time felt like Trace management were overlooking what made them stand out / successful - of course I would later come to appreciate the V-types, in their own right.

And lastly, the recently discontinued big stuff by Peavey - some aesthetic, and tactile misgivings aside ; the only reasons I can think of that these didn't seem to be selling are :

1. The ELF didn't exist yet, so folks who don't want the big stuff (yet), didn't have a route to grown in to the brand.

2. Inadequate marketing, and celebrity endorsements.


So, if I'm forced to pick favourites - based on the sheer number of stages I've seen them on, and records I've heard them on, it would have to be :

Series 6 GP12 / mark V GP11 with 10" Celestion drivers (no HF horn), and 15" Fane drivers.


However, in terms of products I'd like to see available...

Big Stuff

Solid State :

The sound of mark V / Series 6, with the features of SMX, and the drive section of the Peavey era, and possibly the more compact Peavey era cabs, but with a slightly more Series 6 aesthetic.


Valve :

A return of the V-types, with sealed cabinets.


Small Stuff

A more powerful, more fully featured ELF - perhaps 5 band EQ, dedicated control/bypass of compressor/limiter, pre-shape, and DI with pre/post switching.

Studio Stuff


Software :

Free AAX / Audio Units / VST pre-shape plug-in.

Fully modelled mark IV / V / Series 6 / SMX / Peavey / V-type pre-amps.

Fully modelled mark IV / V / Series 6 / SMX / Peavey / Duo / Quad / Hexa / V-type power sections.

Fully modelled Celestion 10" drivers from the mark IV / V / Series 6 / SMX / V-type / Peavey eras.

Fully modelled Celestion 12" drivers from the V-type range.

Fully modelled Fane 15" drivers from the mark IV / V / Series 6 eras.

Fully modelled Celestion 15" drivers from the SMX / Peavey eras.

Including full emulations of the guitar (Tramp etc) range, would broaden the appeal considerably.

Logically, a partnership with IK Multimedia, would take the hassle out of this.


Hardware :

Passive, and Active DI boxes, featuring direct, and switchable Pre-shaped signal.



I think it's going to be hard to glean much more than what was popular / what are people still using / what's still surviving / what did people have ambitions of owning when they became a rock star / what are people nostalgic for.

If Peavey could re-amp a clean bass signal, through a selection of Trace Elliot's amps and cabinets (mark IV / V / Series 6 / SMX / Duo / Quad / Hexa / V-type / Gibson / Peavey), of like vintages, in a controlled environment - and then conduct a poll, where we could put our favourites in order (perhaps isolated, and in a mix), that would be pretty definitive, and useful...

Or alternatively, crack on with IK Multimedia, and use Amplitube as a means of gathering market research, as to what is the most cherished configuration.
 

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