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fEARful™ Part Twelve (12)

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When you mix a fuzz bass track you do not remove the horns from your studio monitors, nor do you require a "horn defeat" switch to run fuzz bass through the PA.

I suspect the limitations that many have suffered under using commercial bass cabs cause undue skittishness of the fEARful tweeter. Once you take the leg shackles off you don't have to restrain yourself to the funny walk.

My $0.02
 
#727
Hey Guys

I have an important gig playing a large car show with thousands of passers-by this coming Saturday. Apparently, parking is going to be very difficult and I may have to walk for multiple blocks with my rig.

Normally, I would just grab my Composite fEARful and not think twice. However, I have been mucking around with the grill and found my effort to cover it in audio quality cloth has not worked out. I think the double-sided tape has come loose somewhere and has cause unwanted vibration noise. I plan to take the grill off and fix the issue, but I may not have time b/n now and Saturday considering job, band and family obligations are taking up all my time for the next few days.

So....

Since I dont have time to mess with my 15/6 grill right now, will my 12/6 be loud enough? There will not be PA support for bass, but I dont expect to need to play *super* loud. That said, it IS an outside gig and it wont be quiet either. I am hoping to be able to use my gkmb500 (350w at 8 ohms) as I can just put it into the outer pocket of my bass bag on my back. Then just throw the 12/6 on my hand cart and walk with a minimum of gear. If necessary I can use my bx1500, but that wont fit in the bass bag. Just trying to keep things as small as possible. However, of course I need to bring the right gear to get the job done. I haven't brought the 12/6 on a gig yet so I am not sure how much volume I can get out it.

Thoughts?
 
#729
I discovered that my 15/6/1 and 12/6/1 have opposite polarity. Right now, with my amp set for reverse polarity on one channel, both speakers seem to suck into the cabinet on the leading edge of each note. So, I'm wondering if it's best to have them do that or push out on the leading edge.

Thoughts, recommendations?

TIA
 
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edwinhurwitz said:
I discovered that my 15/6/1 and 12/6/1 have opposite polarity. Right now, with my amp set for reverse polarity on one channel, both speakers seem to suck into the cabinet on the leading edge of each note. So, I'm wondering if it's best to have them do that or push out on the leading edge.

Thoughts, recommendations?

TIA
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You should definitely fix the one that is miss-wired, if in fact it is. You could even have just one driver in the cabinet wired out of phase and the other in-phase. This will cause you nothing but grief - especially if used in conjunction with another cab. If you suspect this is the case, the better way to determine +/- wiring is the battery test. Connect a jumper from each terminal to either end of a 1.5v battery (AA, C, D, etc). When in phase (positive terminal to positive, negative to negative), the speaker will move forward from the frame. When reversed, it will move backwards into the frame.
 
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::::BASSIST:::: said:
Hey Guys

I have an important gig playing a large car show with thousands of passers-by this coming Saturday. Apparently, parking is going to be very difficult and I may have to walk for multiple blocks with my rig.

Normally, I would just grab my Composite fEARful and not think twice. However, I have been mucking around with the grill and found my effort to cover it in audio quality cloth has not worked out. I think the double-sided tape has come loose somewhere and has cause unwanted vibration noise. I plan to take the grill off and fix the issue, but I may not have time b/n now and Saturday considering job, band and family obligations are taking up all my time for the next few days.

So....

Since I dont have time to mess with my 15/6 grill right now, will my 12/6 be loud enough? There will not be PA support for bass, but I dont expect to need to play *super* loud. That said, it IS an outside gig and it wont be quiet either. I am hoping to be able to use my gkmb500 (350w at 8 ohms) as I can just put it into the outer pocket of my bass bag on my back. Then just throw the 12/6 on my hand cart and walk with a minimum of gear. If necessary I can use my bx1500, but that wont fit in the bass bag. Just trying to keep things as small as possible. However, of course I need to bring the right gear to get the job done. I haven't brought the 12/6 on a gig yet so I am not sure how much volume I can get out it.

Thoughts?
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If it is the band in your sig, based on the sound clips (dig it, btw), I would think you'd be fine with the 12/6 and 350w. I would feel pretty comfortable covering that with my shuttle 6 12t combo (roughly the same watts into a GB spec Deltalite 12 in a lesser enclosure with tweet, no mid). That 12/6 has better dispersion, and will be easier to cart a few blocks than the cube shape of my combo.

So yeah, lots of ambient noise, large space, lots of meat sacks absorbing your sound- but based on your description of playing to passers by, even thousands of them (will they all be sitting in rapt attention straining to discern the bass line?), I don't think you'll have a problem. How many heads does your drummer tear through a month? How unreasonably loud is that guitar player? Do you ever break into dub medleys?
 
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JdoubleH said:
If it is the band in your sig, based on the sound clips (dig it, btw), I would think you'd be fine with the 12/6 and 350w. I would feel pretty comfortable covering that with my shuttle 6 12t combo (roughly the same watts into a GB spec Deltalite 12 in a lesser enclosure with tweet, no mid). That 12/6 has better dispersion, and will be easier to cart a few blocks than the cube shape of my combo.

So yeah, lots of ambient noise, large space, lots of meat sacks absorbing your sound- but based on your description of playing to passers by, even thousands of them (will they all be sitting in rapt attention straining to discern the bass line?), I don't think you'll have a problem. How many heads does your drummer tear through a month? How unreasonably loud is that guitar player? Do you ever break into dub medleys?
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LOL :D
 
#737
JdoubleH said:
If it is the band in your sig, based on the sound clips (dig it, btw), I would think you'd be fine with the 12/6 and 350w. I would feel pretty comfortable covering that with my shuttle 6 12t combo (roughly the same watts into a GB spec Deltalite 12 in a lesser enclosure with tweet, no mid). That 12/6 has better dispersion, and will be easier to cart a few blocks than the cube shape of my combo.

So yeah, lots of ambient noise, large space, lots of meat sacks absorbing your sound- but based on your description of playing to passers by, even thousands of them (will they all be sitting in rapt attention straining to discern the bass line?), I don't think you'll have a problem. How many heads does your drummer tear through a month? How unreasonably loud is that guitar player? Do you ever break into dub medleys?
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Well, after some thought I think I am just going to pull the grill off my 15/6 and bring that cab instead. Surely I can find 5 minutes to do that. I have no doubts that cab will do fine. Just have to be careful since the drivers wont be protected. My 15/6 rolls very nicely on my hand cart.

I agree that my 12/6 would probably be okay, but its also 20LBS heavier than my 39LB 15/6 so its more awkward on the cart as the weight doesnt balance the same.

This is my band that will be playing that day (I'm in two).
Folsom Prison Blues - YouTube

No dub, and no crazy loud drummer.
 
#739
She is finally done! I finished the cab last night and played around with it for a bit. All seems good. Super loud and clear. I love it. Thanks, everyone for your help along the way and thanks to Greenboy and all those who contributed for a fantastic design.









Color is a little off here. It makes my Trans Orange Ray5 look very red.


More pics of the process are here: Bardley - TalkBass Wiki
 
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Foz said:
When you mix a fuzz bass track you do not remove the horns from your studio monitors, nor do you require a "horn defeat" switch to run fuzz bass through the PA.

I suspect the limitations that many have suffered under using commercial bass cabs cause undue skittishness of the fEARful tweeter. Once you take the leg shackles off you don't have to restrain yourself to the funny walk.

My $0.02
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My personal thinking was to restrict the shrillest noises to begin with. Mic'ing the cab results in a wonderful sound, completely free of the electronic high-frequency hiss I couldn't escape from in any tweeter'd cab I've tried.

Also, a mixed signal would include quite a bit of other HF band sounds, so the horn wouldn't only be reproducing electronic fuzz. It would be fuzz+vox+keys+cymbals or something. Although with a couple fearfuls on stage you probably don't need much back-up PA support to begin with.


Overall though, to each his own. I may someday miss the tweeter department if I sell off my Epifani's, but right now I nearly have too many good cabs (especially for my skills :bassist:)
 
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