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fEARful part 13: the bad luck's done, son

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#601
I'll be 60 in a few weeks and have arthritis in both knees and my back. The weight of a cab matters almost as much to me as the sound.

The top 12/6 in the photo was built with Arauco and weighs 37lbs.
The lower cab is generic pine plywood and weighs just under 39 1/2 lbs. It originally had a full grill, so it has grill standoffs that might add a few ounces. It also has rubber feet; the lighter cab does not.
Each cab has a single side mounted strap handle, an Alpha6 mid, and no tweeter.

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There is about a 3dB difference in sensitivity between a 12/6 and a 15/6. That means a 15/6 will be as loud with 30 watts as 2 x 12/6 cabs would be...or a single 12/6 with 60 watts.

Using a single 12/6 with an amp with the potential for ~450 watts, I can get loud enough that it's hard to hear the drummer.

I supplied the back line at some multi-band things recently. I can say, without a doubt, that a pair of 12/6 cabs driven by an amp with the potential for 700 watts can easily keep up with 2 very loud guitars (1/2 stack + twin) without PA support. A single 15/6 would do the same, but a single 12/6 fits my needs most of the time. (And is lighter/smaller and therefore easier for this old man to carry.)
 
#602
Some much appreciated advice.

On the 30w issue, It almost slipped my mind that the head would only be 15w w/ a single cab. So I'd be looking at 15w through a 15/6 vs. 30w through 2 12/6 or a 12/6 + 12 sub.
 
#605
Queg said:
OR: just bust out the old soldering iron and build a new / alter an existing speaker cable to: male Speakon <-> male 1/4" jack. I did this the other night, literally 5 minutes before rehearsal (I needed to use the 12/6/1 as a PA cab).
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I've looked for a source for the combo jacks, but from what I have seen, Neutrik only packages them in right angle circuit board mount. I don't believe they're sealed either, so it appears they've intended them for the back of an amp, not speaker cabinets. The DIY adapter cable is about the simplest solution.

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Tonight's thing is in a concrete tunnel of a loading dock, with a cavern of a warehouse and brewery behind the stage and a metal and glass roll up door at the other end of the room. Brutal acoustics. The key is keeping the volume down, so the 12/6 is all I'm taking. The place can be fun in the summer when the rollup door is open and people can hang out side, but it's sub freezing tonight. I'm just hoping for some heat in the space.
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Bridgeport? I'd kill for a Blue Heron right now. Do they still have the Firkins? Now I"m homesick for Portland...
Sorry, way OT, possibly off base too (off bass and off base?). :hiding: Hope it's a good show! :cool:
 
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JdoubleH said:
I stand corrected... Sounds like a blast. The Gorge is one of my favorite places on the planet!
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Double Mtn.'s owners were both brewers at Full Sail, which is just across the street. Plenty of great beer (and music venues) in both Portland and the Gorge...;)

Singlemalt was using just his 12/6 on this gig. Sounded great, even in such a difficult acoustic environment.
 
#612
Rick Blanc said:
Really? All us eastcoasters hear about the NW is how wet, rainy, dreary it always is. Having said that though if I could get the job I have now at the National Gallery of Art at the Vancouver Art Gallery I'd be there in a heartbeat
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As a former Oregonian (and now possibly a traitor) I can tell you that such claims about the weather in Oregon are part of an orchestrated disinformation campaign intended to dissuade any more Californians from moving north. "Please come visit, the rain makes everything green and out trees tall. But don't stay, you wouldn't like it year round".

Here in Columbus, GA we have almost the exact same annual rainfall as Portland (though we admittedly have fewer rain days). If Oregon were such a dreary place, how could it also be such an outdoor recreation Mecca?

One thing we don't have down here are brew pubs. Pubs, as in plural- we have one, Cannon Brew Pub. Any guesses where the brew master is from originally?

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread...


Edit for full disclosure of the nature and extent of my treason: I was in fact born in California and emigrated to Portland in my 20'S in pursuit of opportunity, distinct seasons, and beer.
 
#613
I just put a pair of the new speakon combo jacks in a sealed 1x12 cab and I don't hear any leaks.

The back of the jack appears to be sealed with just two little soldier spikes. They are kind of a dark green instead of black.

I can't find any pics of the back of the jack, but I'll take some and post them later.

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#614
Any reasons to avoid having a 15/6 on the "side" so that a full sized head will sit on it without looking like the letter "T"? I think I saw it listed somewhere on Greenboy's site that that may be a good positioning for stacking two 15/6 cabs.
 
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monsterthompson said:
Any reasons to avoid having a 15/6 on the "side" so that a full sized head will sit on it without looking like the letter "T"? I think I saw it listed somewhere on Greenboy's site that that may be a good positioning for stacking two 15/6 cabs.
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Only because you're going to get more representative tone up closer to your ears when upright (thus the form it was build in). If you're looking for wide amp width, check the 15/6 cube shape. Its not as tall, but you can keep the mid and/or tweeter upright and as close to vertically aligned as possible.
 
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OIC. Considering going with a 15/6 Tube from AoN. I'm not driven to have a tweeter, so that is a non issue. The weight savings from their material is hard to ignore. I did hoist my Mesa M6 head without much trouble. I was able to lift my PH 212 cab too, though not carry it down stairs. I'm thinking I've got the guts for the 15/6 tube.
 
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monsterthompson said:
Some great advice. Thanks.

I had given consideration to the size being a transportation factor, not just the weight. I also don't plan to do any long walks with anything I get, but I do have the issue of getting down the 3 steps at my porch, and hoisting into the trunk of my xB, neither of which can be helped by a cart. Luckily I had enough strength to one-hand a 35lb cab down my satirs, so I think a 12/6 or maybe even a 15/6 would be realistic.

I hadn't even thought of a 1/4 to speakon cable as an option. Brilliant!

The guess work is if the 30w LB will be a keeper, and if it would get loud enough with a 15/6. If not, I would guess that a 12/6 with a 12 sub would be the way to roll. If I'm going to need more than one cab anyway, two 15's of any combo seems overkill.
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monsterthompson said:
OIC. Considering going with a 15/6 Tube from AoN. I'm not driven to have a tweeter, so that is a non issue. The weight savings from their material is hard to ignore. I did hoist my Mesa M6 head without much trouble. I was able to lift my PH 212 cab too, though not carry it down stairs. I'm thinking I've got the guts for the 15/6 tube.
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As far as stairs... The kart-a-bag carts go up and down stairs beautifully. You can leave your cab permanently strapped to the cart, as it is almost invisible once you push the handle down.
 
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