I ran a very similar rack through my F115, with a stingray. Looking back it's probably the best tone I've ever gotten.
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As @popgadget (Paul) stated, a Greenboy cab will be a replacement. Trust me brother, the amount of sound these little cabinets deliver is insane. My little 12/6 (one of Paul's builds) is way more than I ever expected from a lightweight, compact cabinet. I can only imagine what a "66", or Dually can do. Probably shift my house of its foundation and render my chihuahua sterile
Sounds awesome. But why do they picture so many rigs on their site with stacked cabs if a 1x12 is more than enough? Depends on the situation?As @popgadget (Paul) stated, a Greenboy cab will be a replacement. Trust me brother, the amount of sound these little cabinets deliver is insane. My little 12/6 (one of Paul's builds) is way more than I ever expected from a lightweight, compact cabinet. I can only imagine what a "66", or Dually can do. Probably shift my house of its foundation and render my chihuahua sterile
I'm actually considering getting essentially a pair of 15/6 cabs in one box, only slightly separated and with a rack in the top of the gap between the two functional sections to be a replacement for the iconic, but somewhat insufficient suitcase cabinet for a Rhodes piano.
The rack would receive the amp that would power the two internal cabs in stereo. So from out front, business as usual. But under the hood, way more horsepower, so to speak.
The rack would receive the amp that would power the two internal cabs in stereo. So from out front, business as usual. But under the hood, way more horsepower, so to speak.
Fair question.
Once you stack cabs, let's say two 12/6's, one with a mirrored baffle, you get that infamous "dual woofer goodness".
For me, it's like headroom - I have a rack with a VTRM & Crown XLS1500 bridged, and an Eden WTX500. I use the Eden when I'm packing my PA. When I'm not, I try to bring the rack. There's just "something" about having that power pushing, even if it's not maxed.
Hard to explain, and you wouldn't know unless they were side by side, same with dual woofers. I had them, and still have access to running dual woofers, but I don't. But I could.
Also, thing about the stacks, not all are the same. You'll see a 12/6 on a 15/6, or a F112 on a F115. And they work. Why? Ask Dave. Or not - he provided the plans, just build it, and play it.
Or not. Who cares besides the player? Takin a chance? Years ago, maybe. Now, yeah, maybe. But way more players like Ed Friedland can only help minimize concerns.
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If you really want stereo you need separation between the two cabs or the soundstage that is the whole point doesn't really develop - think ping pong delay - you gotta spread the cabs out or what's the point. If you just want some form of phasey chorusy think you can do that perfectly well with a processor - no need for stereo cabs. So - if "real" stereo aint needed then you actually want the drivers to couple coherently [as close to a point source as possible] in a vertical stack so you get more even distribution from side to side. If you look at a proper fEarful stack you will see the baffles are mirrored so the mids can be brought closer together vertically - or even better example look at the 66 [see below].
As to integral rack addition to mimic a combo rig of some sort - several have added such to fEarful cabs but most have ended up sawing it off to allow greater flexibility in what they need for a particular gig to push the cab. In your example I think you might find a single 15/6 to be plenty for for some situations and end up even more likely to saw it apart into two cabs plus a choice of rack versus stand alone head.
But knock yourself out and have fun. BTW build a 66 - I dare ya. What the hell - build two and run em in stereo!
It doesnt suck.
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I have played a number of tube amps with both guitar and bass through my greenboy cabs. They have all been pleasing to my ear.
Two reasons; dual woofer goodness as stated above, and in the event you have to fill a large venue without PA support, or insufficient PA support. I'm certain that 99% of the time a single 15/6, or 12/6 is more than enough for the gigs us "weekend warrior" bass players.
As for myself, I will build a reversed baffled 12/6 just because I've been dying to go the DIY route. One for my house, one for my band's rehearsal spot.
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When a repeat customer orders a second cab, it's almost always smaller than their first one. Just sayin......
Obviously, one 12/6 can't do every gig. Anyone who thinks that has misinterpreted what they read.
I think @Bard2dbone is talking about making a dual 15/6 version of a Rhodes stereo suitcase cabinet. There were (are?) versions that had a stereo tremolo (called vibrato) that bounced the sound back and forth between two speakers in the cabinet. That cabinet was only 9 1/2 inches deep though. I don't know which directions the speakers fire - maybe both?
A stereo effect from a single source won't work. Even if you had two separate cabs spread far apart, content from 500Hz and lower will still sound like it's coming from one source. If you are interested in a true, stereo soundstage, consider designing a cab from 500Hz and up for the other channel.
Going to have my luthier build a cab for me from the fearful plans. He has built 3 or 4 of them for himself already and is happy with the results, time to get one done for myself!
Leaning towards the F212 for a few reasons, but concerned that I may not run enough juice for it! I love the dimensions of it. BUT, the 15/6 seems to be a very good solution to make a smaller cab.
Im going to be running a PF50T through the cab regardless. Currently running an SVT212. Just looking for something a bit more neutral sounding so I can hear the amp better. The F212 looks like it should fit the bill, and be able to handle just about anything I can throw at it in the future. Probably wouldnt even need a second cab ever.
Leaning towards the F212 for a few reasons, but concerned that I may not run enough juice for it! I love the dimensions of it. BUT, the 15/6 seems to be a very good solution to make a smaller cab.
Im going to be running a PF50T through the cab regardless. Currently running an SVT212. Just looking for something a bit more neutral sounding so I can hear the amp better. The F212 looks like it should fit the bill, and be able to handle just about anything I can throw at it in the future. Probably wouldnt even need a second cab ever.
You can only get a F212 from one of greenboy's authorized builders, there is one in PA though. @scabbyroad
I built a pair of mirrored baffle 15/6/1s about five years ago when I was actively gigging. They put to rest any GAS, and would basically slay anything you can find in the big box retailers. To my ears, traditional speaker cabinets sound like they have a blanket over the top of them compared to the Greenboys.
The beauty of these things is in a few areas:
1. They respond REALLY well to EQ. With a good parametric, you can basically make them do anything. You have a lot of control to do pinpoint notching, and can very precisely dial them into a stage mix that fits with the kick drum coupled with dialing out weird onstage rumbling.
2. You can hear yourself without being too loud in the mix. The beauty of a well designed three way and crossover.
3. You can have plenty of mids while still also having full bottom end! None of that boxy, middy stuff without convincing low end.
4. Effects! You can really hear them.
5. Modularity. Love this! I kept a cabinet at home and the other one at the rehearsal studio. All I needed to go back and forth was a bass and my pedal preamp. Identical sound in each place, total control.
The beauty of these things is in a few areas:
1. They respond REALLY well to EQ. With a good parametric, you can basically make them do anything. You have a lot of control to do pinpoint notching, and can very precisely dial them into a stage mix that fits with the kick drum coupled with dialing out weird onstage rumbling.
2. You can hear yourself without being too loud in the mix. The beauty of a well designed three way and crossover.
3. You can have plenty of mids while still also having full bottom end! None of that boxy, middy stuff without convincing low end.
4. Effects! You can really hear them.
5. Modularity. Love this! I kept a cabinet at home and the other one at the rehearsal studio. All I needed to go back and forth was a bass and my pedal preamp. Identical sound in each place, total control.
DOH!! I always get them mixed up, the fearful 1212/6 is what i meant. compared to the fearful 15/6.
Am I correct in understanding that the difference is simply putting the baffle on the left on one cab, and on the right in the other? And then the cabs get stacked?
Damn, I am GASsing pretty hard on these right now... And I haven't even finished upgrading my 410...
You are correct my friend.
One of the cabs is flipped and placed atop the other allowing for drivers on the bottom and top with the mids in the center.
Exactly. I use my 12/6 for small-to-medium gigs, my 15/6 for medium-to-large, and both when I need to "go big".
TBer Tom Bowlus has used his 12/6 with a full band outdoors (!), and said he had no problem keeping up:
...a single 12/6cube/1 does amazing things on its own:
(From this thread.)
You are correct my friend.
Actually that's a bit different. I was asking if the second speaker was actually designed as a mirror image, then stacked. Your description makes more sense. Thanks!
