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fEARLESS F210

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Update: I had bought an hpf and was rolling the bass way off on my amp and that was fixing the problem. Then, while troubleshooting my F115, i had a thought. Went to my F210, loosened the grate until the spacers stopped pushing, then a quarter turn tighter, problem solved.

Grill was on too tight. Hope that's not what caused the previous owner to give up on it. Sounds killer now
 
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dtsamples said:
Update: I had bought an hpf and was rolling the bass way off on my amp and that was fixing the problem. Then, while troubleshooting my F115, i had a thought. Went to my F210, loosened the grate until the spacers stopped pushing, then a quarter turn tighter, problem solved.

Grill was on too tight. Hope that's not what caused the previous owner to give up on it. Sounds killer now
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Would you say the f115 is much louder than the f210? Just deliberating which cab to get?
 
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The 210 can handle more power but the 115 has higher displacement and sensitivity from what I understand. Paul Tollini estimated that the 210 would do around 75% of what the 115 could. The benefit of the 115 is it's 8 ohm and you can stack a 112 or 110 or another 115 on it. Earlier in this thread somewhere the displacement is listed. Consensus is that the 210 can keep up with or maybe even outperform a standard 410 cab. To my ears the 210 has more character to the sound, presumably from the dual drivers, and it's definitely my choice for shows with PA support because it takes up like one square ft and sounds huge and has crazy good dispersion. Honestly, it's shocking the amount of sound the 210 can make. It's just that if you do end up needing more, it's hard to add a cab to the 210.
 
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Mike Arnopol said:
Got to be honest---it is a lot of dough. Problem is that the 10" drivers cost the same as the 15. Very little difference between materials and labor. But I will tell you what---
A 3012lf is about 496 cc's in terms of Vd---which represents how much air a speaker can move. A good starting point to judge.

A 3015lf is about 850

The 210 is about 600.

So it is about in between the 12 and 15. A typical 410 is less than 600.

So we're not talking huge differences in volume capabilities.

You have to keep in mind that you can't compare this to any 210 on the planet. It's more like a 410. So when you look at it in this light---it's pricey but not out of line. Half the size of a 410 without the inherent cancellations experienced with a 410.

And I'm glad that Mark chimed in. It's comparing apples to apples. The magnet/coil assembly is the same with all three. So the one with the lightest mass will have better acceleration--and at least important---deceleration.

As Mark said---this isn't about "a 10 is faster than a 15"

It's about the balance between the motor size and the stiffness of suspension and the mass to be moved. So a 15 with a large motor can move more quickly with better control than a 10 with a small motor.

I was just looking at a review of a very nice looking 2 x 8 cab. All top Italian drivers. Haven't heard it but I'm sure it sounds awesome. The cab cost over a grand. But the drivers cost (wholesale) about $400. Best drivers you can get. The Vd on this cab is about 360cc's. So---it's pricey but I'm sure it sounds great. But it only competes with a 210.

My point is---if one is going to use the best materials and engineering---it costs money.

So---when you look at the 210 you can't think of it as a 210 when compared to ANYTHING else on the market.
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dtsamples said:
The 210 can handle more power but the 115 has higher displacement and sensitivity from what I understand. Paul Tollini estimated that the 210 would do around 75% of what the 115 could. The benefit of the 115 is it's 8 ohm and you can stack a 112 or 110 or another 115 on it. Earlier in this thread somewhere the displacement is listed. Consensus is that the 210 can keep up with or maybe even outperform a standard 410 cab. To my ears the 210 has more character to the sound, presumably from the dual drivers, and it's definitely my choice for shows with PA support because it takes up like one square ft and sounds huge and has crazy good dispersion. Honestly, it's shocking the amount of sound the 210 can make. It's just that if you do end up needing more, it's hard to add a cab to the 210.
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Thanks for the info there. :) I'm after a 1 cab solution for small stages with Foh support and I like the form and size of the F210. It just needs to be loud enough to fill the stage and give me and the band enough ompph to get in the zone. I'd be running with a Gk mb800 which should be enough power to get this cab going, I'm hoping anyway. What sort of size band situation and what music do you use the f210 in? What amp are you running with it? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just trying to suck up all the info I can so thanks. ;-)
 
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You can see that from my earlier inquiries I was having some trouble with both cabs. Turns out the guy who sold me the 210 had clamped the grill down too tight and when I'd give it any real low power the speakers would slap against the grill. For a while I assumed this was some kind of engineering failure and ran it with a high pass filter. Since I figured out what the problem was, I'd say I haven't pushed it as far as it can go. Both bands require a lot of sub 200hz presence from me and I've been kind of psychologically afraid of damaging the cab since experiencing just how far those 10s throw at low frequencies. That said, I'm told I'll get over that soon. Either way, I'd say that precludes me from being able to fully answer your question anecdotally. It looks like you play double bass. For that application where you don't require as much in the low low end of the sonic spectrum, I can't imagine a scenario in which this cab wouldn't be more than enough.

I had been using the Subway D-800 but I'm told the power ratings on that are liberal. I think with the mb800 and the 210 you'd be in a great spot for almost any gig.
 
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dtsamples said:
Sorry, typing on my phone and hit post reply to soon. Edited.
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Cool, cheers..
I play upright bass but also active 5 strings, Not an excessive B user but I do like a bit of low end grit playing funk hip-hop fusion style stuff.. My main interest in Greenboy designs is because I double upright and active 5 so want natural tone coupled with tight lows and great displacement on stage without having to fiddle too much with settings when I switch basses. I play in an 8-9 piece band that isn't mega loud but it certainly all adds up. Just talking the threads and putting feelers out for this cabs ability to cope with my requirements. I have bigger cabs for big gigs but they are pretty rare and I'm after a smaller 1 cab does the job. Thanks for getting back with the extra info as I'm lapping everything up. :-)
 
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I have bigger cabs 2x12 4x10 for those really loud big stages or no foh. If we're taking the van I'll take the biggest thing I can tbh. I'm interested in the 210 for the easy transit and smallish gigs. I'm currently selling all my smaller cabs I don't really use (wizzy 10 and 12 cube) to fund the best small cab I can find. Willing to take the hit if it's not suitable just to give the f210 a real go, the reviews and on paper it looks up to the job but everything is soo subjective I'm jst after different people's experiences with it..
 
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dtsamples said:
If that's the case it might be worth giving the 212 a good look. It's not that much bigger physically and is nearly the same price, and I'd think it'd really cover all your wants in that doubling situation.
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^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^

The F212 is actually a bit larger than the F210, but it's stupid small and actually easier to to move due the wheels.
For the money, it's a better value, as is the F115,
 
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popgadget said:
^^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^^

The F212 is actually a bit larger than the F210, but it's stupid small and actually easier to to move due the wheels.
For the money, it's a better value, as is the F115,
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Yeah I appreciate that but id really like peoples experience with the f210.
I would also find the 212 and 115 more troublesome for bus/train/boots of cars as well as cramped stages etc. I know the f115 and f212 will put out way more Spl wise but if I play a mega gig i'd take a bigger cab anyway, (that may be another Greenboy in the future).
At the moment it's about replacing my small set up for another small set up that can give me more on stage. I've tried an f112 for a little while and am totally sold on the size/sound. I just found it maxing out my puma at 8ohms so I thought the 4ohm f210 would be a really good match for my incoming mb800.. the f112 is nearly perfect but i think a tiny step up with a higher output amp should do the job?
 
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Yeah the F210 should give you more perceived bass than the 112 and takes up the same floor space as the vertical 112. It's a great cab man, really musical and impressive. It might just be that you've got the exact right circumstances that demand it, whereas I think most others can find a reason why one of its cousins is more practical for them. I don't have any hesitation giving it the thumbs up for your situation except that I think you'd still have some trouble on the train!
 
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I owned an F110, which sounds the same as the F112, and an F110sub. I also owned an F210. I did an A/B of the F110/F110s against the F210 and posted a write-up, which was a few years ago. Though they were very, very similar in output and sound, and could be pretty much identical with EQ, my overall impression was that the F210 had a bit smoother feel than the F110/F110s. My personal opinion was that the F110/F110s stack is ideally suited for electric bass and rock, and the F210 ideal for double bass and Jazz/Blues. Again, all IMHO.
 
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