Fender 1977 P-Bass Original caracteristics

Discussion in 'Basses [BG]' started by MAFbass1992, Nov 24, 2012.

  1. MAFbass1992


    Feb 4, 2012
    Does anyone know if there was a thumb rest on the original fender 1977 basses? I am planning to buy a '77 P-bass natural for 1300$ but I saw thumb restes on some 1976-78 P-basses on the internet. Here are some photos of my ''maybe-next'' bass...

  2. FretlessMainly


    Nov 17, 2010
    I had thought that the tug bars were moved to a thumb rest position in '74 or '75, but the bass you posted clearly shows a serial number matched PG with holes for a tug bar. Perhaps they made some the old way and some the new, or could the buyer request a tug bar as a "special order" in '77?
  3. Jason Brown

    Jason Brown

    May 1, 2000
    SLC, UT
    Yes, they did have thumb rests as noted in the post above.

    For some reason, the pictures show the back of an original '77 guard, and the front of a new repro '62 guard.
  4. FretlessMainly


    Nov 17, 2010
    If that's the case, then it would seem that something fishy might be going on. I thought that the PG looked awfully shiny for a '77.
  5. johnk_10

    johnk_10 vintage bass nut Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 16, 2008
    Thousand Oaks, CA
    John K Custom Basses
    the photo of the back of the pickguard with the serial# sticker shows that it has the thumbrest in the proper position for a '77 (i.e, the low e side), but the photos of the bass with the pickguard on it shows the tug bar location on the g string side (with no mounting holes drilled into the body under them), so obviously they are showing the bass with two different pickguards.
  6. FretlessMainly


    Nov 17, 2010
    Good catch, John. I therefore reiterate my concern above, although it may indeed be a simple matter of the bass having had two different pickguards. A question to the seller ought to clear this up.
  7. MAFbass1992


    Feb 4, 2012
    I asked the seller about this and responded me that he has two different pickguards for the bass. That might explain why. If the '77 basses came with a thumb rest, I wonder if 1300$ is still a good price for an almost-original p-bass (Badass bridge and no OHSC) since no thumb rest is included.
  8. JimmyM


    Apr 11, 2005
    Apopka, FL
    Endorsing: Ampeg Amps, EMG Pickups
    The last thing I'd worry about is the thumb rest. If it's in otherwise good shape, I think it's semi-reasonable.

    EDIT: Just saw the pics. Yeah, that's reasonable. Very nice grain on that ash body. Almost as pretty as the ash on my 76 ;)
  9. makaspar

    makaspar Supporting Member

    Oct 23, 2009
    Austin, TX
    I'm not an expert, but do post '57 p-bass bodies have a flat-bottom neck heel?
  10. mikbass


    May 12, 2010
    To my eye the bass has two different types of tuners.
    Two pre -76 and two post -76.
    I'd ask the seller about this too.
  11. tjnkoo


    Apr 19, 2011
    Metro Atlanta
    That's an awesome price, and a nice bass. You usually can't touch a mostly original P down here in Atlanta for less that $1,800, and that's on a nice day.
  12. clbolt


    Feb 3, 2008
    To me, it looks like the body has been stripped. There appears to be white paint in the neck pocket.
  13. johnk_10

    johnk_10 vintage bass nut Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 16, 2008
    Thousand Oaks, CA
    John K Custom Basses
    personally, i don't think so, since alot of them look like that in the neck pocket from the finish lifting in that area, but it does definitely have new RI knobs on it and the chrome pickup and bridge covers are also RI's.
  14. Kmonk


    Oct 18, 2012
    South Shore, Massachusetts
    Endorsing Artist: Fender, Spector, Ampeg, Curt Mangan Strings
    The tuners on the E and A strings look newer than those on the D and G. The serial number on one of the pickguards matches the one on the headstock. The ashtray and pickup cover look too new to be original. None of these should be a concern. Overall, it looks like a nice bass and is worth the money as long as it has the original finish.
  15. MAFbass1992


    Feb 4, 2012
    Thanks guys! I am supposed to try it tomorrow. And about the knobs I will be able to judge by myself when I'll try it. I checked the knobs on some vintage p-basses on ebay and on some of those, the knobs seemed in pretty good shape. Maybe the owner took too much care of this bass.... I wonder if there is a way to know if a piece of a bass is a RI or not.
  16. JTE


    Mar 12, 2008
    Central Illinois, USA
    Probably residual rubbing compound, Fender left that crap EVERYWHERE it couldn't be seen. It's responsible for lotsbof prematurely worn pots and switches on Fender instruments of that era.

  17. johnk_10

    johnk_10 vintage bass nut Supporting Member Commercial User

    Feb 16, 2008
    Thousand Oaks, CA
    John K Custom Basses
    i guarantee that the knobs are RI's. the orignals have a smooth transition from the knurling to the top of the knob, whereas those have a distinct edge/ridge. the originals were zamac (lightweight) and the RI's are brass (heavy).