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#421
The battery life is highly dependent on how hard you're pushing the amp. At low levels with bass and bluetooth (as in the pic), I'm under 4 Watts. Here's a post where I get into some detail:

Battery powering a Phil Jones Double Four

I've not yet played this thing dimed (mainly because I don't want to kill my amp in the name of science...). I got it obnoxiously loud (at 2 O'Clock on the volume dial) outside streaming music, and I'm pretty sure on a full charge it could handle that for 4-5 hours easy, likely much more.
 
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#422
Cullen G said:
I own 6 acoustic basses. My Fender V2 feels the most like an electric to play. But it's not loud enough for campfire playing with multiple guitars. My Ortega would be my choice.

But I regress... I would do it differently. I'd contact someone that works with hundreds of speaker drivers, and knows them well. That person most likely knows about a few OEM custom drivers. Like the 6" woofer that plays with authority to 38hz. It goes in a tiny cabinet with a rechargeable battery. Weighs 10lbs maybe.
This is what I'd carry to the beach. A combo amp the size of a lunchbox, but can really move some air.
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100%. A quality go anywhere little lightweight bass combo. I'd also like a resonance activated transducer to fit directly into the sound hole and a condo in Cabo. :laugh:
 
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Queue said:
The battery life is highly dependent on how hard you're pushing the amp. At low levels with bass and bluetooth (as in the pic), I'm under 4 Watts. Here's a post where I get into some detail:

Battery powering a Phil Jones Double Four

I've not yet played this thing dimed (mainly because I don't want to kill my amp in the name of science...). I got it obnoxiously loud (at 2 O'Clock on the volume dial) outside streaming music, and I'm pretty sure on a full charge it could handle that for 4-5 hours easy, likely much more.
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Thanks for the info.The new Boss Dual Cube is pretty cool too but only 10 watts to your 75.
 
#424
Queue said:
The battery life is highly dependent on how hard you're pushing the amp. At low levels with bass and bluetooth (as in the pic), I'm under 4 Watts. Here's a post where I get into some detail:

Battery powering a Phil Jones Double Four

I've not yet played this thing dimed (mainly because I don't want to kill my amp in the name of science...). I got it obnoxiously loud (at 2 O'Clock on the volume dial) outside streaming music, and I'm pretty sure on a full charge it could handle that for 4-5 hours easy, likely much more.
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Interesting. It appears the technology is the same as Pignose style amps. Very different from mine. My amp is the size of your cell phone, but is 80 watts. But it's efficiency is crazy high, so it sips power. It could also have a lot to do with the batteries everyone chooses. My battety is still strong, and I have probably 40 hrs on it.
Different designs completely. But really Interesting.
 
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#429
LoveJackBruce said:
OK. Found a CB-100CE. This is easily my favorite sounding Fender ABG based on utube video demos.
Any Cons to beware of?

A FA-450CE should be arriving at the front door shortly.
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Where did you get the FA-450 from? I looked it as well, and it seemed like a nicer version of the CB-60. But no bag included and after you buy that too you're almost up to the price of the Kingman. Let us know how it works out!
 
#432
Queue said:
Is there a thread somewhere where you compare them? We've gone pretty far off topic here, even if I use my D4+ with my Kingman V2...
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Sorry, no.
The Boss is the replacement for the Roland Micro Cube, a bit of a step up, louder than the wattage suggests, and runs on AA batteries.
The Phil Jones is in a league of their own...very impressive even though I knew what to expect.
It can be powered by a portable laptop battery. Mr. Jones says it can operate for up to four hours on something like the Lenmar PowerPort.
Someone posted here or on Facebook that if you want to hear what your bass really sounds like, plug it into a Phil Jones amp.
 
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#433
LoveJackBruce said:
100%. A quality go anywhere little lightweight bass combo. I'd also like a resonance activated transducer to fit directly into the sound hole and a condo in Cabo. :laugh:
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Hey now ... you should be careful! Because I have built hundreds of lightweight fiberglass speaker cabinets in every audio industry!
I can do ANYTHING within the laws of physics with speakers, and I even know a few ways to cheat those laws of physics, no joke.
Question is: Do you want it bad enough to put off that condo in Cabo?
Because I'm not sanding fiberglass without some real dough! Screw itchy. :roflmao:

Fiberglass is great for this though. It doesn't vibrate very well, and so makes good enclosures! You ready? My PayPal address is ......:D:drool::roflmao:
 
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jd56hawk said:
Sorry, no.
The Boss is the replacement for the Roland Micro Cube, a bit of a step up, louder than the wattage suggests, and runs on AA batteries.
The Phil Jones is in a league of their own...very impressive even though I knew what to expect.
It can be powered by a portable laptop battery. Mr. Jones says it can operate for up to four hours on something like the Lenmar PowerPort.
Someone posted here or on Facebook that if you want to hear what your bass really sounds like, plug it into a Phil Jones amp.
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I've got a bunch of Tiny combos, between you and I, we could do quite the "shootout", I don't think we overlap much other than the D4 vs D4+. I agree about PJB amps being very representative of your bass's sound.

PJB X4 Nanobass (Queue)
Roland Microcube Bass Rx (Queue)
Boss Dual Cube (jd56hawk)
PJB D4 (jd56hawk)
PJB D4+ (Queue)

Coolest part of the D4+ over the D4 is that it is USB-C PD powered (or AC), with Bluetooth and Aux In!

USB-C PD (Power Delivery) opens up a whole bunch of choices to power the thing, and the market on those devices is expanding rapidly.
 
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#435
Should I keep quiet? Or should I be friendly?

If any of you can DIY at all, building a simple wood cabinet, you will not be fooled.
As a speaker designer/builder, there's not much more gross than pulling apart a $350 cabinet and finding the drivers being used cost a whopping $21 each.

One of the above cubes you've posted photos of uses those $21 speaker drivers. The markup is WAAAAAAY insane!!!! And the speakers are not good really. Poor measurements, distortion numbers, and low X-Max.

Also 4" drivers are not going to do anything worthy. Even 2 of them. Physics and surface area. On an open beach with a few guitars? Not really going to cut through much.

I recommend nothing smaller than 6" drivers. Let's see if this puts things into focus better...
The totally bad azz Fearful bass cabs use the wonderful Eminence Kappalite 12". It moves a TON of air, and kicks your chest with clean bass. That woofer can move a total of 9.1 mm one way! (X-Max)
The little 6" woofer I use moves a total of 12.5 mm one way ...:jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::jawdrop::chicken::chicken:
Complete insanity. It has great bass output with 12.5 mm X-max, in room bass response down in the mid 30hz range., will handle over 120 watts and play at 110db from 40hz up!

The difference in the real world?
There's two: One is this cabinet can also be played loudly enough to use in a full electric band in a decent practice studio. It can get loud!
And two is it will sound like a nice 10" combo bass amp on that wide open beach. None of the ones you're discussing above will come close.
I'm just saying to research a little bit. Make sure of the return policy.

Lastly ... I happen to sell more of my small computer speakers than anything else by a good margin. They have what's considered to be among the world's best 4" overhung speaker drivers in them. They are really serious 4" woofers, no joke. But they are not sounding authoritative or full on a beach.;)
 
#436
Queue said:
I've got a bunch of Tiny combos, between you and I, we could do quite the "shootout", I don't think we overlap much other than the D4 vs D4+. I agree about PJB amps being very representative of your bass's sound.

PJB X4 Nanobass (Queue)
Roland Microcube Bass Rx (Queue)
Boss Dual Cube (jd56hawk)
PJB D4 (jd56hawk)
PJB D4+ (Queue)

Coolest part of the D4+ over the D4 is that it is USB-C PD powered (or AC), with Bluetooth and Aux In!

USB-C PD (Power Delivery) opens up a whole bunch of choices to power the thing, and the market on those devices is expanding rapidly.
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How ironic! I listened to I believe all of those on my recent trip to the Bay Area! The thing I thought in the store was, "these manufacturers don't know what good quality drivers are"
They don't play loudly enough, while sounding clean and linear.
In other words, as you crank them up I hear their sound signature begin to change. A clear sign their either under powered, or their drivers reach their limits too quickly. But some of the features are neat!
 
#438
Take a look at this crazy 4" woofer. Anyone notice the motor (magnet) is as large as the woofer itself? It just barely will fit into the cut out hole for mounting.

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