Fender Decals On Non-Fender Basses

[smcd]

Not going to waste my time with that, you know how to get to the fender site. Go to the contact us page and ask them if there are any places you cannot put a sticker of thiers. Post the reply you get..... I am 100% positive that unless you allude to trying to make a profit by this or tell them your going to be selling these after you decal them (which is a totally different issue) they won't care where you put the sticker.

Permission has NOTHING to do with it. If you have a fender sticker, put it where you like.

Try to understand for a second that no fender guitar has a decaled logo. They are silk screened on the headstock so if you think putting a sticker on a guitar is some fool proof method for passing something off as a geniune fender your just being silly.

If they cared you wouldn't see Fender Stickers free with every Fender product.

-eSmith.

I see. So what you're saying is that you CAN'T buy a neck from AllParts with a Fender logo on it. Ok, just checking. Because that's pretty much what I said in the beginning.

I might also suggest you don't take it upon yourself to speak for Fender. Last I checked, they're pretty protective of their brand identity, so I'm pretty sure they DO care.

 

[eSmith]

This reminds me of the Family Axe..... Been in the family 400 years.... The handle has only been replaced 6 times and the head only 4........


-eSmith.

 

[smcd]

I have a Fender 70's Jazz. The neck is broken.

Asking for opinions here, if I replace the neck with a blocked and bound Warmoth neck would it be unethical to put a Fender decal on it?

Unethical - I don't know. Cheesy - definitely.

 

[eSmith]

Thats weak.

So if people don't do your homework for you, you make an assumption and pretend your right huh? nope doesn't work here, YOU are speaking for Fender and were asked to go check with them before you do so. I am just pointing out the truth, they provide us with stickers and unrestricted ability to stick tham on what ever we want.

This is about putting a sticker on a bass, not wide spread patent and copyright infringment. Unless you are making a serious attempt to fool others that you are selling Fender guitars then Fender does not care what you do with the stickers.

Don't ask them if you don't want to and I seriously don't care what you can buy from some website, this as about stickers supplied by Fender and if you can stick them on your bass regardless of brand.

You can.

-eSmith.

 

[stratovani]

I have a Squier Strat from those Strat Packs that my sister bought for me for Christmas back in 2003. Over time I wound up changing everything on it, all I kept original was the body. The last thing I changed on it was the neck, it has a MightyMite maple neck on it now. She's a really nice-sounding guitar, with a killer neck pickup sound perfect for playing blues. For a while I debated putting a Fender decal on it, but ultimately I left it blank. I figured everybody would know it's a Strat just by looking at it, so why go through the hassle of installing a decal, and everyone giving you grief for putting a Fender decal on what was once a Squier.

 

[Vic Winters]

Unethical - I don't know. Cheesy - definitely.

Less cheesy than slapping a Fender logo on a Rock Band controller?

 

[smcd]

Thats weak.

So if people don't do your homework for you, you make an assumption and pretend your right huh? nope doesn't work here, YOU are speaking for Fender and were asked to go check with them before you do so. I am just pointing out the truth, they provide us with stickers and unrestricted ability to stick tham on what ever we want.

This is about putting a sticker on a bass, not wide spread patent and copyright infringment. Unless you are making a serious attempt to fool others that you are selling Fender guitars then Fender does not care what you do with the stickers.

Don't ask them if you don't want to and I seriously don't care what you can buy from some website, this as about stickers supplied by Fender and if you can stick them on your bass regardless of brand.

You can.

-eSmith.

Uh, no. See - I did my homework. I already knew you couldn't buy a Fender neck with a Fender logo from AllParts. I kinda just let you run on for a while.

Now I'll ask you another question I already know the answer to - Do you think you can just buy Fender decals from FMIC?? (FMIC = Fender Musical Instruments Corporation)

 

[GM60466]

personally I think its wrong

 

[Martin89]

Less cheesy than slapping a Fender logo on a Rock Band controller?

A fender factory in china actually made that so it's ok

 

[smcd]

Less cheesy than slapping a Fender logo on a Rock Band controller?

That's a different situation entirely. But it's Fender's prerogative to do that.



Better you should ask yourself this - Why is a genuine 1970's Fender neck more expensive than a AllParts neck with a Fender logo?

 

[Diogenes]

I have a Fender 70's Jazz. The neck is broken.

Asking for opinions here, if I replace the neck with a blocked and bound Warmoth neck would it be unethical to put a Fender decal on it?

Again that's the owner's call but certainly makes more sense than putting a Fender decal on a bass with minor or few, if any, Fender parts.

Maybe a partial Fender can have a "Fend" sticker so not to offend.

 

[M.R. Ogle]

I did a bass and a guitar with Fender decals.

The Strat was a Squier, an older one that had aged quite nicely, replaced one of the pickups and put in an American trem.

The bass was a Mexi Jazz with a sorta-warped neck, replaced it with an Allparts, and put the Fender decal on it, too.

Why? These were the "loaner" or "house" instruments in a local home recording studio. We got compliments all the time on how great they play and have recorded many times with them. People love 'em, and they don't get squeamish about a perceived "lesser" instrument just because of a decal. These axes both sound and play great, so it's a "don't ask, don't tell" kinda thing.

 

[Vic Winters]

That's a different situation entirely. But it's Fender's prerogative to do that.



Better you should ask yourself this - Why is a genuine 1970's Fender neck more expensive than a AllParts neck with a Fender logo?

1. But it's not a real Fender bass, it just plays one in a video game.

2. The vintage market is irrational. In 10 years or so, people will be spending $3K for a vintage 80's Fender.

 

[Gort]

Except its better than a Fender

Does that count for the resale value of your Warmoth too?

 

[Burlington]

If it isn't being passed on as a Fender, then why does anyone care?

Someone mentioned that there was a seller HERE on TB selling knockoffs as real Fenders. You really should let Fender themselves know, they don't take these sort of things lightly.

 

[smcd]

1. But it's not a real Fender bass, it just plays one in a video game.

2. The vintage market is irrational. In 10 years or so, people will be spending $3K for a vintage 80's Fender.

1. It's a toy, not a bass. Much like a Matchbox is a toy, not an automobile. And the manufacturer got a license from Fender to put their logo there. It's brilliant marketing. Fender is increasing it's brand identity as "the" brand to own. When/if the people who play Rock Band decide to buy a bass, what brand do you think they'll go for? And that brand consciousness will last a lifetime with most people.


2. The vintage market is what it is. And no matter how irrational the logic, it affects the market for everyone - including you and me. Say you were to buy a 68 Jazz Bass for a good price. Say that this bass was the best playing, best sounding Jazz Bass you ever played. Then say you found out a couple years later that it was a forgery. Would you think "I don't care, it's the best sounding Jazz Bass I've played", or would you think "Wow, that sucks", like most people would?

 

[sleepy_monkey]

A $300 Squier Jazz Bass already looks exactly like a "classic" bass. When you replace the Squier logo with that of a more expensive model, you're crossing the line.

Only if you are trying to sell it as an original Fender...otherwise it is just a cosmetic change.

If you are buying a Fender (or any bass) you should be checking the serial numbers/history before you buy anyway to relieve yourself of any issues that could potentially come about. Necks are easy to take off to check a date stamp/serial etc...especially if you are shelling out $1000+ on a bass. And if the seller is opposed to it, I wouldn't buy it anyway. Ethical sellers are going to expect you to want to check everything anyway...especially on Fenders. My .02.

 

[SchizoBassist]

I have a Fender 70's Jazz. The neck is broken.

Asking for opinions here, if I replace the neck with a blocked and bound Warmoth neck would it be unethical to put a Fender decal on it?

Probably, but why not just saw the old headstock off and glue it on the Warmoth?

 

[smcd]

If it isn't being passed on as a Fender, then why does anyone care?

The second someone puts a Fender logo on a non-Fender product, it's being passed off as a Fender. This is a cheesy move, and lots of people care. That's why crappy Fender basses from the late 70's cost more than much nicer, brand new US-made Fender vintage reissues.

Even the person playing that fake bass cares. Why otherwise would he put a Fender logo on the headstock? I know people who put Fender logos on non-Fender products. When questioned, every single one of them will admit, with embarrassment, that the guitar isn't a Fender.

Someone mentioned that there was a seller HERE on TB selling knockoffs as real Fenders. You really should let Fender themselves know, they don't take these sort of things lightly.

I don't know if FMIC will bother to take on individuals, but just try setting up a shop that sells Fender forgeries.

And when it comes to selling counterfeit Fenders as an individual, try selling one on ebay and see what happens.

 

[Martin89]

That's a different situation entirely. But it's Fender's prerogative to do that.



Better you should ask yourself this - Why is a genuine 1970's Fender neck more expensive than a AllParts neck with a Fender logo?

That has to do with supply and demand. If Fender sold replacement necks(like they sell replacement pickups) They'd be comparably priced with AllParts, just like their replacement pickups are comparably priced(You can get a J-set from Fender or Dimarzio for about $100, Fender is a few $ more). Getting a neck from a specific time period is much more expensive than a replacement. Same goes with cars, crate engines are cheap compared to actual era. But a crate from GM will be relatively priced to another manufacturer that does oem crates.