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Fender Japan is gone :(

Walnut '62 Jazz
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Ravishing.
 
i Believe the reason it is so difficult to get fender Japan stuff in any country is because fender make it difficult for all of us to get it. I think they have a clause somewhere that says fender Japan can only sell their stuffs at Japan.

It certainly never used to be a problem in the UK getting Japanese made Fenders. I don't know if that changed at any point.
 
Not trying to derail this discussion and not trying to get political here, but could the pending TPP have something to do with this? Not a real keeper upper with this kind of thing, but have been employed by a business which was the subject of a hostile takeover attempt and a lot of off the wall stuff happened in fairly rapid succession without fanfare or explanation. Fender changes their business model in a big way, the top shelf Asian maker is cut loose and now a pending trade deal with Asia which is supposed to open a lot of new markets for American goods.

Just a thought, but the local top end builder going away just in time for favorable trade terms to make importing American examples easier (and more profitable), wouldn't making the local built product go away also insure an instant market for the new influx of American made goods?
 
All of the Fenders I've ever owned, except for one, were Japan. I'm a big fan of the Precision Lytes as well. My sister-in-law in Australia has one; I should see if I can obtain that from her :)

In all seriousness, I've found Japanese Fenders to be very good value for money.

I guess I should probably hold on to my Jag.
 
TBH since I read this the other day I almost went looking for some new MIJ stock in the US. I've always wanted an MIJ jazz and have coveted one here locally for a long time but the owner is silly and won't sell it to me. Even if I couldn't find just what I wanted, I'm betting they will jump up in value pretty quick once the remaining new stock dwindles. A lot of players really like the MIJ stuff.
 
Just a thought, but the local top end builder going away just in time for favorable trade terms to make importing American examples easier (and more profitable), wouldn't making the local built product go away also insure an instant market for the new influx of American made goods?

That doesn't sound very likely. In Japan, with the weak Yen, domestic production would be cheaper than US (and there are plent of factories so economy of scale is there) and the requirement is to make a profit. Importing American instruments into Japan is unlikely to deliver those good profits. Across other parts of Asia Indonesian and Chinese production would be more in the right price range.
 
Anyone find any official confirmation of this yet?

I just looked again and find only forum rumors.

I hate to add more fuel to the rumor-mill-fire, but I just had an epiphany. If this is all true, I suspect the heads of F.J. knew this was coming for some time. For the past few months, I'd been wondering why their site had no mention of any "2015 Limited Editions". No need to create something new and special if production was going to be shut down in a few months, no? :eyebrow:
 
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That doesn't sound very likely. In Japan, with the weak Yen, domestic production would be cheaper than US (and there are plent of factories so economy of scale is there) and the requirement is to make a profit. Importing American instruments into Japan is unlikely to deliver those good profits. Across other parts of Asia Indonesian and Chinese production would be more in the right price range.

I think you are missing my point. The intent is to clear the way for more US made goods to be sold in overseas markets. If a high quality product is produced and sold there already, especially with same the name cachet, it might be a hard slog to introduce a competitor with the same name and quality but at a higher price, but if there is no locally produced product with the same name and quality, those interested in that name and quality will move to the "new" import, even if it costs a little more.

That said, based on what (little) I know about the asian business model, it could be very likely Fender may be about to introduce a line on par with the MIJ stuff but made in China. Asian manufacturers by and large are capable of producing whatever level of quality their contractor is paying them to produce. The beginner level instruments Fender has been getting from China could well jump to a level of quality on par with MIJ, MIM, and MIA, albeit with a corresponding increase in price, but even with the added expense of better materials and construction, labor is still so cheap in China, those instruments would still cost a lot less to produce then they would in Japan, Mexico, or the US.

s good as the MIJ fenders have always been, the only reason I can think of for shutting down their production is to make way for fenders made in other countries to take their place.

And there is also the very real possibility that not enough units were being sold to make production in Japan profitable enough to continue.
 
I think you are missing my point.

Fender cares about profits, not where the goods are produced, particularly. Given that the Yen is weak imported US goods are likely to be at a price premium compared to what Fender Japan was selling at, so I think it's unlikely that US-made Fenders would sell well as compared to the full breadth of Fender Japan production at all price points.

That said, based on what (little) I know about the asian business model, it could be very likely Fender may be about to introduce a line on par with the MIJ stuff but made in China.

That's more likely, and more what I was alluding to, although my money would be on Mexican production given the experience with the Marcus Miller and Geddy Lee. The MIM line is a bit cheaper, so even with a weak Yen you might be talking about retail cost parity with Fender Japan in Japan itself. And then the presumption is that the profit margin on the Mexican production would be higher than that in Japan (no middleman). In this scenario it isn't making way for US-made goods.

Maybe the other possibility is that currently with Fender Japan the Japanese market is only for domestic production in Japan, but if that block was removed it would be possible to sell premium-level instruments (MIA) and then rebrand some of the Squier CV production in Indonesia as Fender and have that cover the lower price points within Japan? That would open Japan up to US production.

Or it might be a combination of MIM and MII?
 
Hey Folks,

A slightly on topic question... I'm looking at the Fender Japan basses available at Ishibashi. And the photos seem to show this odd line or wire between the bridge and the bridge pickup. It's in a whole bunch of the basses. Does anyone know what this is?

Here is the link, but I don't think that this will come across correctly:
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So I am reposting some of their images here.

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It's a ground strap.
I've always wondered why the japanese did it like this still.

At first blush it would save a production step where the hole for a bridge ground wire was drilled. When thinking of a single instrument it doesn't sound like a lot of time, but if it's a minute per unit and 250K units are scheduled that's a little over 4,100 production hours saved. Of course you then add time building and installing the little brass trays under the pups, so maybe that's not it, unless some of the electronic components are subbed out, which is a very big thing in Japanese manufacturing. They are firm believers in spreading the work around so there are a crap ton of component manufacturers who do nothing but supply other companies with parts for their products. Showa Suspension for example, builds all the forks and shocks for all Japanese motorcycle makers, as well as HD and a lot of aftermarket performance suspension suppliers.

Second possibility is it meet some kind of legal requirement to not be an exact copy of current production MIM and MIA basses.

Third, they may think it a superior grounding method?

Last, maybe they think it just looks cool.

Personally, I like the way it looks.