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Fender Japan is gone :(

It's a ground strap.

Huh. Go figure. Is it flush with the top of the body, with the wire sitting in a routed channel? If it's raised above the body, I'd imagine that it would be easy to knock off.

I was just looking around the web and, sure enough, the original basses are like that. I never noticed. Although I wasn't around in the earliest days of basses. However I am old enough that the youngins call me vintage. ;)

To make sure it doesn't get damaged, covering it up with the chrome ashtray thing might help. I don't see those in the photos, so I'm guessing that the Japan VSP's do not come with the covers.

And would it be easy to move the ground wire to the more typical, inside location? That would prevent it from getting yanked off, by accident. If there is a route in the body for between the bridge and pickup cavity, it might be a simple matter of running a wire through there. But if the bodies do not have the hole already, it would be much more involved.

Thanks!
 
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Hey Folks,

A slightly on topic question... I'm looking at the Fender Japan basses available at Ishibashi. And the photos seem to show this odd line or wire between the bridge and the bridge pickup. It's in a whole bunch of the basses. Does anyone know what this is?

Here is the link, but I don't think that this will come across correctly:
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So I am reposting some of their images here.

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At first blush it would save a production step where the hole for a bridge ground wire was drilled. When thinking of a single instrument it doesn't sound like a lot of time, but if it's a minute per unit and 250K units are scheduled that's a little over 4,100 production hours saved. Of course you then add time building and installing the little brass trays under the pups, so maybe that's not it, unless some of the electronic components are subbed out, which is a very big thing in Japanese manufacturing. They are firm believers in spreading the work around so there are a crap ton of component manufacturers who do nothing but supply other companies with parts for their products. Showa Suspension for example, builds all the forks and shocks for all Japanese motorcycle makers, as well as HD and a lot of aftermarket performance suspension suppliers.

Second possibility is it meet some kind of legal requirement to not be an exact copy of current production MIM and MIA basses.

Third, they may think it a superior grounding method?

Last, maybe they think it just looks cool.

Personally, I like the way it looks.

The ground strap is a design feature on the early '60's reissue models...that was how they were made back then. Just keeping period specific.
 
Most Fender re-issues that use the old-school ground strap still have the route for a bridge ground, they just do not use it. The repro's will also utilize brass plates in the body for shielding, something that does basically nothing, instead of modern conductive paint. Got to keep it authentic.
 
I searched for AVRI 60's Jazzes currently listed in the TB classifieds... three out of four that I checked had the ground strap.

What do you know? I guess you really do learn something new every day.

If Fender Japan is really going the way of the dodo, I'm starting to give serious consideration to ordering a bass. That exposed ground has me a bit concerned about it getting yanked off by mistake. But if they've been like that on basses for ages, it's probably fine. I just looked at installing ashtray covers and it seems that you need to drill holes into the body for that. Not too appealing.

OK, so how long can I be patient and put off ordering a new bass? :cool: :)
 
What do you know? I guess you really do learn something new every day.

If Fender Japan is really going the way of the dodo, I'm starting to give serious consideration to ordering a bass. That exposed ground has me a bit concerned about it getting yanked off by mistake. But if they've been like that on basses for ages, it's probably fine. I just looked at installing ashtray covers and it seems that you need to drill holes into the body for that. Not too appealing.

OK, so how long can I be patient and put off ordering a new bass? :cool: :)


Well if Jaco didn't manage to knock his off I don't think you would.
I have two 80s MIJ squires with the strap and they're perfect condition considering the players wear in the basses.
But my 91 MIJ fretless has one and its a little crinkled.
 
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Fender Japan, in my eyes, is different from the other plants because had it not been for Fender Japan in the early 80's, Fender might not exist at all anymore. When production was moving to Corona, it was Fender Japan who kept the brand name alive and did a hell of a lot to restore the reputation of the brand after the junk churned out towards the tail end of the CBS era. They've had the freedom to develop new models for a brand who are generally mired in conservatism and most of the interesting things Fender have put their name to in the last twenty years have generally originated there. Fender Japan have been reknowned for their quality and constistency, there have never been "good and bad eras", they've continually delivered high quality instruments at great prices. The contribution of Fender Japan to the Fender legacy is immense and this is more than just shutting down some cheap labour sweat-shop.

Quoting this for emphasis.

Fender Japan really is a whole lot more integral to the history of the Fender brand than many know. When CBS ran the company into the ground, it was the Japanese factories that not only continued to make the instruments until Corona was up to capacity - they actually loaned a good amount of the money to the group who bought Fender back from CBS.

Kanda Shokai and Yamano not only got exclusive distribution and manufacturing in Japan, they have maintained about 1/3 ownership of FMIC ever since. This breaking with Fender Japan is probably an indicator of some bigger split or buyout that has occurred, where Kanda and Yamano have either been bought out, or decided their 30+ year arrangement had run its course and they decided to cash out.

It may be wrong to assume it's a bad move spearheaded by FMIC - it could be the Japanese simply don't benefit from their end like they used to and plan to use any buyout $$ to fund other ventures or brand names. The factories where the stuff was built will not go away, as they do make other brands, including some new ones that have sprouted and are possibly doing very well. Even Japan subs manufacturing to China.

This really is "the end of an era", and would be more historically comparable to GMC mothballing the OPEL brand name (or something...). The logos may have been the same,. but the product lines were very different. Fender Japan's licensing agreement allowed them to be creative with their offerings that weren't made for export to the US, and these were some of their better, more unique and stylish product that broke from the 3TSB+tort tradition that Fender clings to so dearly.

Thing is - the number of 80s and 90s MIJ Fenders won't change. They're still out there on the used market and they have always had their followers (I'm definitely one of them). It sucks to lose the ongoing production of newer models - hopefully the Aerodyne line is saved somehow - but the older stuff is not changing in terms of the number of available instruments. Their value is likely to rise a little, but other than that, this doesn't really affect 95% of the musical instrument marketplace.

Also keep in mind... when one door closes, another can open. This leaves a void to be filled, and it's possible that someone steps up and does a good job of it.
 
Fender cares about profits, not where the goods are produced, particularly. Given that the Yen is weak imported US goods are likely to be at a price premium compared to what Fender Japan was selling at, so I think it's unlikely that US-made Fenders would sell well as compared to the full breadth of Fender Japan production at all price points.



That's more likely, and more what I was alluding to, although my money would be on Mexican production given the experience with the Marcus Miller and Geddy Lee. The MIM line is a bit cheaper, so even with a weak Yen you might be talking about retail cost parity with Fender Japan in Japan itself. And then the presumption is that the profit margin on the Mexican production would be higher than that in Japan (no middleman). In this scenario it isn't making way for US-made goods.

Maybe the other possibility is that currently with Fender Japan the Japanese market is only for domestic production in Japan, but if that block was removed it would be possible to sell premium-level instruments (MIA) and then rebrand some of the Squier CV production in Indonesia as Fender and have that cover the lower price points within Japan? That would open Japan up to US production.

Or it might be a combination of MIM and MII?

I'm in another business, but the principal is the same. Here is how I understand it. Fender Japan is a distributor and a manufacturing source. You kind of have to separate the two for it to make sense.

So Fender currently has US, Mexican, Indonesian, and Chinese product in market in Japan, alongside the Fender Japan manufactured product. An American company has two choices when operating in a foreign country. One is to set up shop themselves, two is to use a distributor. It is very expensive and risky to set up shop yourself, especially in a market as peculiar as Japan can be. If you use a distributor, the distributor has the infrastructure in country, and the business/political relationships to sell your product. They buy it from you for what you'd sell it to an American retailer, then they mark it up, and sell it to the retailer in their country. This adds a layer of mark up compared to retail pricing in the company's home market, making the product meaningfully more expensive, and sometimes hurting the consumer value. Because of this, it's usually a situation that is kept in place as short a time is necessary to establish the brand and justify opening your own local office.

The maufacturing component of Fender Japan adds complexity to this business model. As I understand it, fender Japan was a joint venture between two Japanese guitar companies and Fender, with one eventually dropping out. This venture acted initially as a manufacturing source for inexpensive products for US, Europe and Japan. As the yen climbed in value from the 80's to the 90's, Japanese manufacturing of guitars made less sense for these other markets, and was replaced by Mexico, Korea, China, etc... Simultaneously it became possible to import some of these other sources' guitars into Japan cost effectively. The venture then began to act more like a traditional distributor, but with manufacturing rights.

Years pass, currencies shift, and guitar tastes evolve. Certain models that previously only thrived in Japan (Jags, Jazzmasters, and Mustangs...) start to come back in America, forcing Fender USA to create cost effectively sourced versions for their markets. These get imported into the Japan distributor model too. Currencies continue to shift.

I noticed in the last year that Mexican Fenders in Japan were right on top of similar Fender Japan models as they sat together in the store. These had very similar prices and specifications. Now if you remember what I said before, Fender Mexico stuff has a distributor margin built into its economics, meaning they should be cheaper, but Fender Japan added a layer of profit before they get to retail. This is confusing because Fender US might still own a piece of Fender Japan toward the end... I'm a little fuzzy here... So Fender US may have been collecting a piece of the profit that Fender Japan created by marking up product provided by Fender US in the first place. Also, Fender US is collecting royalties on Fender Japan product as a licensor, so it gets a bit murky... But...

The other factor is economies of scale. The cost of each unit goes down as production volumes go up. Fender US now has many product in production from sourcing it controls (Mexican Jaguars, and Jazzmasters for example) that would work well in Japan at the prices they would cost for Fender to get them there.

An accountant probably had to sort all of this out so it made sense, but I figure that eliminating the Fender Japan Venture allows Fender US to sell its product directly, taking some of the money that was going to distributor margins, and redistributing it to creating its own subsidiary in Japan, with the rest going to profits. This then creates the need for higher production from their own controlled factories, lowering per-unit costs, and raising profits for all markets.

Blah blah blah...

Anyway, the Japanese production volume needs are probably very significant. Japan is a huge economy with a very over-indexed guitar market. I would hazard to guess that it might be the 2nd biggest guitar market in the world. I bet it's bigger than Europe. I'm just guessing, but it plays out that way in some other industries (my own included), so it is not that far fetched.

Another thing... I would have thought that the people of Japan would have some preference for Japanese manufactured product. My first hand conversations with Japanese friends suggest otherwise in this instance. Of course US manufacturing on a US brand such as fender is rated the highest. Oddly it seems that amongst my Japanese friends, Mexico seems to rate as a bit more desirable than Japan for Fenders. I think the SoCal borderlands roots of Fender, and the number of Mexican names made famous as markings on the insides of vintage Fenders helps that sense of legitimacy. Also, I personally have negative impressions of Fender's Mexican output because the first guitars coming out of there were quite rough. By the time they start getting to Japan, they worked out the bugs, and were delivering a pretty consistent product...

That's all I have... See what a little jet-lag can get out of you?
 
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IAnother thing... I would have thought that the people of Japan would have some preference for Japanese manufactured product. My first hand conversations with Japanese friends suggest otherwise in this instance. Of course US manufacturing on a US brand such as fender is rated the highest. Oddly it seems that amongst my Japanese friends, Mexico seems to rate as a bit more desirable than Japan for Fenders. I think the SoCal borderlands roots of Fender, and the number of Mexican names made famous as markings on the insides of vintage Fenders helps that sense of legitimacy. Also, I personally have negative impressions of Fender's Mexican output because the first guitars coming out of there were quite rough. By the time they start getting to Japan, they worked out the bugs, and were delivering a pretty consistent product...

Good post. The last bit emphasises my thoughts somewhat. I think MIA Fenders are probably selling as many as they are likely to given the price point, and that MIM Fenders are the ones cost effective in Japan given shipping and the value of the Yen.

We don't know if it is the Japanese distributor and manufacturer that wanted out, or Fender, or whether getting out of the deal offers Fender any particular benefit. If the Japanese end wanted out then given the pricing of the MIM line then Fender might have decided to just go with that and not go through the effort of finding a new Japanese arm.
 
As soon as I heard the news directly from a contact at Fender USA, I immediately thought of the JB62SS series and how I had always planned to "eventually" purchase all four color options. Well, I soon confirmed that like all the other "Classic" Japan Fender offerings, these amazing ¾ scale Jazz Basses were no longer in production, with no plans to ever offer them again!

So... I acted faster than I ever have in scooping up a discontinued piece and managed to score all four in factory sealed cartons! - And according to my source in Tokyo, some of the last new in box JB62SS in the country!

Here is a CRAPPY photo of my completed collection... The CAR (Red) one is missing its original pick guard, cause I sent it off to WD Music Products to fashion me up two custom White Pearl pick guards for the Red and Black ones. Not a big fan of the plain white style.

I own a lot of gear, and a lot of great bass guitars, but I don't think I have ever been so pleased to score as I felt when I nabbed the last new in the box Black JB62SS in Japan!

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Original JB62SS Factory Pub Photo

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What do you know? I guess you really do learn something new every day.

If Fender Japan is really going the way of the dodo, I'm starting to give serious consideration to ordering a bass. That exposed ground has me a bit concerned about it getting yanked off by mistake. But if they've been like that on basses for ages, it's probably fine. I just looked at installing ashtray covers and it seems that you need to drill holes into the body for that. Not too appealing.

OK, so how long can I be patient and put off ordering a new bass? :cool: :)

I would suggest contacting ISHIBASHI MUSIC. They are kind of the Guitar Center of Japan and if anyone would have a particular Fender Japan model, these guys would be the best source.

They are really easy to do business with, and they charge the face value for shipping via Japan Post EMS. I've purchased several Japanese Fenders from them over the years, and scored one of my four JB62SS Mini Jazz basses from them.

Here is the email address for International Orders:

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The Fender Japan website is alive and well as of this moment.

I call BS on this.

Its not BS! - Fender Japan isn't going out of business, but almost as bad, they are being "reintegrated" into the Fender USA Mothership. (notice that the new Japan Website is a Clone of the USA version)

As a result, ALL of the unique models that have set Fender Japan apart from the USA offerings have all been discontinued, and the Japan wing of the company will no longer be allowed to design and produce their own product offerings. In other words...Japan will now get the same short sighted and BORING product offerings decided on by the schmucks in Corona. Gone are the cool guitars that made Japan Fender the breath of Fresh Air it had been quietly providing for the last decade.

A very sad day for everyone who was a fan of Fender Japan's great designs and innovations!

As an owner of many unique Fender Japan instruments, the net worth of my collection just went through the roof!