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Fender master built or wal bass

Fender or wal


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They are probably reasonably priced in Old Blighty, not in the US.

They used to be reasonably priced in the UK 20 years ago. Even around 2005 they'd shot up to around £1500 in 2005 £s, so about £2200 today, maybe. (so actually I've played four, as I had a chunk of disposable cash then to consider that one).

Back in the mid 90s I heard a lot of Wals on recordings, and liked the sound, but in person I just couldn't get the sound I wanted from them, but it was probably unfamiliarity with the controls. The last one I tried (not one for sale) I had no particular problems getting a good sound out of.
 
Troy doesn't own Justin's Wal!?!? Where did you hear that?? Troy's Wal is what Wal enthusiasts like myself refer it as a Red Geddy model.

If I recall, Troy may have gotten it from a bassist who used to be in Puddle of Mudd

You are correct. I found the video where Troy mentions Sean Sammon from Puddle of Mudd. I didn't remember the artist's name when I read azfatboy's post and mistakenly thought it was Justin from Tool.
 
Assuming they're both in the same price range (and I wouldn't be shocked if the Fender Master-built is just as expensive as a Wal), and the wait time is about the same (is it?).....

Add my vote to the Wal vote tally, and I've never even played one!

(I knew I should've grabbed a Wal 15 years ago, when they could be had for believable money)
 
Master built instruments are great - from a marketing and profit POV for Fender, if nothing else, really.

It's absolutely great business for sure!

As far as I can tell on the bass side it's mostly Greg Fessler (spl?) and Dennis Galuszka (spl?) built basses coming into Japan. I don't know if any other master builders work on basses.

I think I've seen more masterbuilt p basses than j basses in the Tokyo area, but it could be bad sampling of stores or cognitive bias (I tend to prefer p's).

I've sampled a few used Galuszka p's, and the specific ones I played seemed great for guys doing late 60's to 70's influenced rock where you're doing p bass + rounds + high gain on a solid state amp (like Sunn, acoustic, etc). Due to the harmonics. And open strings sounded incredibly classic rock.

The Greg Fessler p's, especially the NAMM models, were priced like new Fodera's. No chance yet to play one since they sell pretty quickly!
 
They used to be reasonably priced in the UK 20 years ago. Even around 2005 they'd shot up to around £1500 in 2005 £s, so about £2200 today, maybe. (so actually I've played four, as I had a chunk of disposable cash then to consider that one).

They were in fact, extremely unfashionable at one point and that fall from grace put the original Wal/Electric Wood business under considerable strain. After enjoying a period of being very much in demand in the 80's, the wheel had begun to turn in the 90's and they were seen as quite naff. Put to me, in rather unflattering terms, as the prize of every gigging pub bassist who had won a bit on the pools and wanted to live in the fading glory of that 80's sound.

I recall, before the stratospheric appreciation, that The Gallery in London had a mk2 in stock for £1250, in decent shape, about eleven or twelve years ago. Funnily enough, it seemed to be a lot of Tool fans in America that suddenly rushed to drive demand when Wal ceased production. I found it most ironic that the figurehead player that 'saved' Wal could have really been playing any old bass. Wal basses have a fairly distinctive sound which Justin Chancellor had distorted and buried. However, if it wasn't a Wal it wasn't right for these superfans (and I absolutely love Tool, I must say).

The sudden revival of Wal values was surprising. Even as a new product, they're priced to the levels the used market has risen to. £4500, was a quote I was looking at for a new one. That's insane, to me, and the production of the new Wal basses seems pretty slow. I assume the demand is all that high which props up used values, which in turn gives New Wal a reason to keep their new prices high...

I say this not because Wal aren't great basses, I think they're mint. But aside from their proprietary electronics, they're very simply crafted instruments and in mk1 guise, feel quite dumpy and old fashioned. The market has also outpaced them by a good degree. FWIW, I think ACG has the Wal package absolutely whopped with their own filter-based preamp and pickups, for instance.

If I were choosing between a pimped Jazz and a Wal I'd go for the Wal every time. Unlike the Jazz, I'd expect to lose very little money if I wanted to sell it. If you buy a Wal and find it's not to your taste, you'll always find a seller, but beware before you do hunt a Wal down: their reputation and price may well inflate your expectations beyond what they actually deliver. They're not the holy grail and I expect, if they hadn't closed down in the first place, they'd be worth about half of what they are now.
 
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They were in fact, extremely unfashionable at one point and that fall from grace put the original Wal/Electric Wood business under considerable strain. After enjoying a period of being very much in demand in the 80's, the wheel had begun to turn in the 90's and they were seen as quite naff. Put to me, in rather unflattering terms, as the prize of every gigging pub bassist who had won a bit on the pools and wanted to live in the fading glory of that 80's sound.

I recall, before the stratospheric appreciation, that The Gallery in London had a mk2 in stock for £1250, in decent shape, about eleven or twelve years ago. Funnily enough, it seemed to be a lot of Tool fans in America that suddenly rushed to drive demand when Wal ceased production. I found it most ironic that the figurehead player that 'saved' Wal could have really been playing any old bass. Wal basses have a fairly distinctive sound which Justin Chancellor had distorted and buried. However, if it wasn't a Wal it wasn't right for these superfans (and I absolutely love Tool, I must say).

The sudden revival of Wal values was surprising. Even as a new product, they're priced to the levels the used market has risen to. £4500, was a quote I was looking at for a new one. That's insane, to me, and the production of the new Wal basses seems pretty slow. I assume the demand is all that high which props up used values, which in turn gives New Wal a reason to keep their new prices high...

I say this not because Wal aren't great basses, I think they're mint. But aside from their proprietary electronics, they're very simply crafted instruments and in mk1 guise, feel quite dumpy and old fashioned. The market has also outpaced them by a good degree. FWIW, I think ACG has the Wal package absolutely whopped with their own filter-based preamp and pickups, for instance.

If I were choosing between a pimped Jazz and a Wal I'd go for the Wal every time. Unlike the Jazz, I'd expect to lose very little money if I wanted to sell it. If you buy a Wal and find it's not to your taste, you'll always find a seller, but beware before you do hunt a Wal down: their reputation and price may well inflate your expectations beyond what they actually deliver. They're not the holy grail and I expect, if they hadn't closed down in the first place, they'd be worth about half of what they are now.

For £400 (which was a lot of money to me in 1995) it seemed fair. £1250 is what the one in Northern Guitars (IIRC) was priced at, so my recollection can't be too far off.

Sometimes I am tempted to try the ACG filter preamp, as an external, but then there are the pickups.
 
my only concern is you can't really try wal basses, atleast around me you can't.
Too bad Wal-Mart can't help us. ;)

Chiming in, I don't know much about Wal, but I know it ain't Fender! Gotta ask, what will you get from Fender that isn't a Precision or Jazz? Unless you're going with Dimension/Jaguars? What will Wal offer you that you'd prefer?
 
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Cant decide between a fender master built jazz bass with an:
•ebony fretboard
•flame maple neck
•alder body
•all black with gold hardware
Or a wal mk3 with
•flame maple facings
•ebony fretboard

My vote should come as no surprise! But like others have said, if you're unsure at this point and worried about depreciation go second hand - albeit you may have to compromise on some wood preferences. But a Wal is still a Wal, the woods only make subtle differences to the sound. And second hand they hold their value. Keep it a couple of years and it's quite likely to appreciate in value if you do decide to sell it.

Do say Hi in the Wal Group here and on Facebook, were a cheerful, friendly bunch and always happy to answer questions. You'll also get hints on Wals coming up for sale and alerts on sellers who are taking the pi$$ on price, descriptions etc.

And check out my blog below for more info on the basses.


What are their necks like?

Not as narrow as a J, not as fat as a P but the soft V shape is characteristic of the Custom Series. Personally I find it very comfortable. If you're ordering new you can specify changes in profile but the necks as is are great to play.

I've never played a Wal, I would just like to know why they are so expensive, what's so special about them??

You could ask the same about Ken Smith, Fedora, Alembic and many others. For Wal there are a number of factors. Completely hand built, no CNC cutting or finishing, highest quality woods, small team of builders and a small throughput, every component bar the tuners and strap buttons are made specially for Wal (no aftermarket or OEM parts), unique pickups and active circuitry (ACGs are great guitars but sound nothing like a Wal), a unique sound but still a hugely versatile set of tones...

It's not just about Justin and Geddy (great as they are). They're just a tiny corner of the sounds Wals are capable of...


Wal bass playlist - YouTube
 
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You are correct. I found the video where Troy mentions Sean Sammon from Puddle of Mudd. I didn't remember the artist's name when I read azfatboy's post and mistakenly thought it was Justin from Tool.


Yes it was mine and now its on it's way back. Trot is a great guy. I sold it to him and we made a deal if he wanted to sell. I got first rights. and I am happy to say its on its way home. The way the world should be.! Thanks Troy you are a class act my friend!
 
Yes it was mine and now its on it's way back. Trot is a great guy. I sold it to him and we made a deal if he wanted to sell. I got first rights. and I am happy to say its on its way home. The way the world should be.! Thanks Troy you are a class act my friend!

Congrats on getting it back! that makes two Wals in your arsenal, correct?
 
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Have to say I had a Wal in about 1981, I hated it, very 'uncomfortable' to play and just thought it was a POS all round..I got rid of it after a few weeks, if that ( probably in favour of an old Fender P if I remember)
This was a basic 2 pu passive thing, in black , r/w board. No idea what model exactly, but was not impressed, when compared to what was about at the time.
 
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Have to say I had a Wal in about 1981, I hated it, very 'uncomfortable' to play and just thought it was a POS all round..I got rid of it after a few weeks, if that ( probably in favour of an old Fender P if I remember)
This was a basic 2 pu passive thing, in black , r/w board. No idea what model exactly, but was not impressed, when compared to what was about at the time.

I believe your describing a Wal Pro II. Not quite the same Wal sound of the Custom Mark series basses...
 
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