Fender Plus Deluxe Club

[villis]

 

[villis]

 

[JIO]

Thanks for the cool sound-clip! Nice playing! Which setting were you using? If I had to guess it would be the 2nd active click. So what is the white ramp between the pu's made of? I did that on one of my basses & just double-stick taped it on. I made mine out of wood w/a black plastic laminate on top to match the HB pu's

 

[villis]

Thanks for the cool sound-clip! Nice playing! Which setting were you using? If I had to guess it would be the 2nd active click. So what is the white ramp between the pu's made of? I did that on one of my basses & just double-stick taped it on. I made mine out of wood w/a black plastic laminate on top to match the HB pu's

Thank youuu! Yes i am using the mid boost! This is a ramp from padauk which i made my self. i use glasspaper to shape it to my taste

 

[villis]

Oups sorry i am using the 2 active switch

 

[JIO]

Oups sorry i am using the 2 active switch

Yes, the 1st click (from off) is active boost, 2nd click is mid-boost which is a less loud but more defined in the midrange. I could hear the difference in your sound clip. It can be confusing if you go in reverse from the passive position, as the last 'click' is off.

 

[SirMjac28]

Thank youuu! Yes i am using the mid boost! This is a ramp from padauk which i made my self. i use glasspaper to shape it to my taste

That's awesome i love it.

 

[villis]

That's awesome i love it.

Thank youuu sirmjac i spend 2 days to make it fit to the pups and to give it the carvature the strings needed

 

[SirMjac28]

Found one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fender-Amer...n-/271492387074?pt=Guitar&hash=item3f36351102

 

[JIO]

Found one http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fender-Amer...n-/271492387074?pt=Guitar&hash=item3f36351102

yep - as you well know pretty much the going rate.

 

[SirMjac28]

yep - as you well know pretty much the going rate.

I really need a backup

 

[villis]

T

yep - as you well know pretty much the going rate.

This is actually a redicilus low price for such an instrument! Shame on him and his ignorance

 

[villis]

T

This is actually a redicilus low price for such an instrument! Shame on him and his ignorance

I am only understanding this if he has economical problems

 

[JIO]

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This is actually a redicilus low price for such an instrument! Shame on him and his ignorance

Here's my take on it - it's a three part consideration w/a two-fold answer.

It is not unusual that certain basses are under appreciated but one of the things that needs to be factored in is current fads and trends, especially w/bass players. At one time (some still feel this way) most all bass players owned only one bass, and it was thought of as a very 'meat & potatoes' utilitarian tool - it had to do what it did w/no drama. Guitarists on the other hand owned many guitars and were the first to embrace the concept of exotic and vintage instruments which launched trends/industries in the 80's/90's. The 80's started those trends for bass players too, but stronger in the exotic area (think Alembic, Stienberger, Kubicki, Parker etc) which inspired bass players to come forward in the mix in the 80's w/the definition and tone these high-end active basses provided. (and needless to say a batch of new players w/monster chops!) So somewhere in the 90's bass players also got on the vintage bandwagon as a group and the exotica lost some steam. The focus has become 'old school', James Jamerson tone, pocket playing and being on stage w/a vintage (Fender) bass. Granted, this is a generality, but as a trend it's pretty prevalent.

The Jazz Plus is a really nice instrument - top of the line when new w/some of that trickled-down exotica. (Kubicki pre) The bass on ebay will sell, and we'll see for how much in 12 days - but I'm guessing it will sell for under $1K. It sold for not that much more than that new. ($1200?) Before Phil Kubicki's passing, his exotic Ex-Factors could be had for the price this bass is starting it's bid. Now, you'd be lucky to buy one for under $2K (and they sold for $2500 new) In fact, that also has something to do with it all - what they sold for new. A 60's Fender bass sold for $375 new, and now sell (vintage) for thousands. The high-end basses all sold for much more than an average Fender when new, $1K and up, and now there is just less people willing to spend anywhere near that for used. And if a player is going to spend that kind of money, they consider a vintage bass in the same price range.

And lastly, the bottom end quality of new basses is rising. Affordable new basses are better than ever and when they get into the $1K bracket there is now a lot of competition for that same dollar. Someone has to really like a used bass in that price range or it has to sell for a 'ridiculously low price' before someone will pop for it.

So, in summery - trend/style preference and competitive economics/market share are possible indicators pointing to why some basses (like the early 90's Plus series) are going for these prices today.

 

[SirMjac28]

Here's my take on it - it's a three part consideration w/a two-fold answer.

It is not unusual that certain basses are under appreciated but one of the things that needs to be factored in is current fads and trends, especially w/bass players. At one time (some still feel this way) most all bass players owned only one bass, and it was thought of as a very 'meat & potatoes' utilitarian tool - it had to do what it did w/no drama. Guitarists on the other hand owned many guitars and were the first to embrace the concept of exotic and vintage instruments which launched trends/industries in the 80's/90's. The 80's started those trends for bass players too, but stronger in the exotic area (think Alembic, Stienberger, Kubicki, Parker etc) which inspired bass players to come forward in the mix in the 80's w/the definition and tone these high-end active basses provided. (and needless to say a batch of new players w/monster chops!) So somewhere in the 90's bass players also got on the vintage bandwagon as a group and the exotica lost some steam. The focus has become 'old school', James Jamerson tone, pocket playing and being on stage w/a vintage (Fender) bass. Granted, this is a generality, but as a trend it's pretty prevalent.

The Jazz Plus is a really nice instrument - top of the line when new w/some of that trickled-down exotica. (Kubicki pre) The bass on ebay will sell, and we'll see for how much in 12 days - but I'm guessing it will sell for under $1K. It sold for not that much more than that new. ($1200?) Before Phil Kubicki's passing, his exotic Ex-Factors could be had for the price this bass is starting it's bid. Now, you'd be lucky to buy one for under $2K (and they sold for $2500 new) In fact, that also has something to do with it all - what they sold for new. A 60's Fender bass sold for $375 new, and now sell (vintage) for thousands. The high-end basses all sold for much more than an average Fender when new, $1K and up, and now there is just less people willing to spend anywhere near that for used. And if a player is going to spend that kind of money, they consider a vintage bass in the same price range.

And lastly, the bottom end quality of new basses is rising. Affordable new basses are better than ever and when they get into the $1K bracket there is now a lot of competition for that same dollar. Someone has to really like a used bass in that price range or it has to sell for a 'ridiculously low price' before someone will pop for it.

So, in summery - trend/style preference and competitive economics/market share are possible indicators pointing to why some basses (like the early 90's Plus series) are going for these prices today.

Well said sir I totally agree.

 

[slouis]

It seems like it has been a while since there was an update on the thread.
I just got a used 1990 Precision Plus. It seems that it has all the original hardware though i'm suspecting the tuning keys were replaced. I bought it from musicgoround.com for 650 USD and it comes with a hardshell case not the original but a fender HSC. I had no contact with the previous owner to know the exact history of the bass.
Here are some pictures, what do you guys think?

 

[JIO]

Looks great slouis! These did come w/the deluxe Schaller sculpted-peg tuners, which have the same machines as the installed standard ones, but one never knows. Both work the same and look good. At least the locking knobs are all still on the bridge! Can't go wrong for that price for such a nice bass - enjoy!

 

[slouis]

I contacted the owner of a precision plus who had the same tuners as mine, and he said that they are original. Apparently some of them came with the flat tuners.
That is the one:

 

[JIO]

I contacted the owner of a precision plus who had the same tuners as mine, and he said that they are original. Apparently some of them came with the flat tuners.
That is the one:

That's a cool colour - sort of cinnamon tan - haven't seen that one before.

 

[JIO]

no affiliation - for anyone who knows what they are looking at, this (BIN) 1990 Jazz Plus 5'r in the blue-burst w/OHSC will be sold by days end. One minor cosmetic flaw on the back and a pro-verified ok hairline crack on the lower hs, but otherwise it looks to be in VGC - check it out

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=291170870333&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123