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I think that the modern monetary theorists have got it wrong. I'm of the opinion that the money supply matters, even if the effects of increasing it take a while to manifest. History shows that excess money printing is disastrous. Has the Fed printed too fast? Time will tell. I'm guessing we won't have to wait too long to find out. I'm not claiming to be an expert, just a person who is interested in this stuff.

When looking at the money supply chart, I'm not sure if you changed the time range. Below you can see a 20% increase in the money supply that began at the start of 2014. The original comment that sparked this aspect of the conversation said that money was more valuable in Dec, 2013.
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I'm not sure anyone would claim that injecting liquidity is going to have no effect.

For the uninitiated, keep in mind that the Fed does not literally print money. They are lending money that doesn't actually exist to private banks et al, but it's debt on the books and is expected to be re-paid. And when it's re-paid, it's taken off the books and the money magically disappears.
 
Yes, that would be staying at the resort.... but only for a week. Polynesian, Modern, and couple of others will set you back well into four figures a night (when you include park hopper passes and whatnot).

We take my kid to Disney a couple times a year, we stay in Grand California, usually eat at Napa Rose a couple times, and buy whatever we feel like, and we budget 3K a day for our trips. So those figures line up. Luckily, we drive down from the Bay Area, so we save on airfare at least.
 
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We take my kid to Disney a couple times a year, we stay in Grand California, usually eat at Napa Rose a couple times, and buy whatever we feel like, and we budget 3K a day for our trips. So those figures line up. Luckily, we drive down from the Bay Area, so we save on airfare at least.

We're going to Disney on the east coast in October. NC to Florida drive is a big no thank you. So we have to tack on the flight. :cool: This will likely be the last one for us (Fingers girls will be 10 and 13).
 
I have had a white Fender American Performer P in my MF cart. I've always wanted a white PJ with a rosewood fretboard. Now the price is $1,499. I bought a brand new American Professional Jazz for about $1,100 in January 2019. I can't believe that happened only 3 years ago.
 
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Man, this thread has some doomer vibes. Many people are acting as if

1) they can predict the future
2) new musical instruments are a reliable metric to measure the health the economy
3) a brand new Fender isn't a luxury good (i.e. not a necessity) for the vast majority of posters here

Let's just be honest - no one knows where this will go. If money is tight, it might be time to hold off. If you've got disposable cash, have at it. Fender is charging what people are willing to pay, as ridiculous as it may seem. Fortunately, there are plenty of amazing Fender-style alternatives out there.

I think the disconnect comes from people just not being able to comprehend others are living with a different experience than their own.

Also, even if you, "lived through ______ economic crisis back in the day"... the world is different now than it was even 10 years ago, let alone 40. You don't necessary know better than anyone, though I will respect that your past experiences impact your current outlook - you're entitled to that.
 
I always assume new prices will rise. What’s surprising is the length of time we saw little price increases on new items in the ‘00s and ‘10s. Part of this is catch up right?

Seems like used gear prices are barely behind new these days. I recall years ago that 50-60% was tops for used stuff but lately it seems more like 80-90%. In some cases 100%+?! Supply demand I guess. People are buying it whatever it is.

New gear prices are typically just a short term shock. We get used to it.
 
1) they can predict the future
2) new musical instruments are a reliable metric to measure the health the economy
3) a brand new Fender isn't a luxury good (i.e. not a necessity) for the vast majority of posters here

The inflation is here now ... who knows how long will it last?

A lot of other things are going up faster than instruments ... Home and car and fuel prices are going crazy

I make good money, but I don't play brand new Fenders ... I build cheaper basses for myself
 
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I think we might be in a speculation and buying bubble primarily driven by people of reasonable means. 2020 made wealthy urbanites look elsewhere and it's screwed up a lot of real estate markets as a result IMO.

I made money off raw land sales out in the desert this year, but I don't think it can continue. Eventually all the interested buyers will have their fill or will change their priorities based on cities being more interesting again. I know a few people getting bored with remote work...

Meanwhile, the interconnected manufacturing and delivery web has shown its terrible weaknesses this year, my concern is that we have developed an appetite for an elevated Western lifestyle that has been effectively subsidized by cheap foreign parts and labor and cheap transit. If that changes - nothing about the current import market inflation will be transitory, and apart from some food and various items EVERYTHING is part of the import market...


Let's hope it cools off in a reasonable fashion v. a cliff.

Happy New Year :)
 
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The inflation is here now ... who knows how long will it last?

A lot of other things are going up faster than instruments ... Home and car and fuel prices are going crazy

I make good money, but I don't play brand new Fenders ... I build cheaper basses for myself

Believe it or not, we agree here (not sure if your response was in agreeance or not with my OP)

Inflation is absolutely real - and we don't know where the train is headed.

I mean, I get it. This is yet another example of things being totally crazy with inflation, supply chain, etc. so this gives people an easy way to leverage Fender prices into a discussion on macroeconomics. I just don't necessarily think you're going to get a nuanced discussion - not that it has to be nuanced, it's a forum after all.

It can just be hard to read people being alarmists, but it makes sense on here here. Fender is by far the most admired brand on TalkBass, so it carries through here like a form of social currency.
 
Man, I just don't get it. All we hear is that people are hurting these days. Many can't make ends meet.

But real estate has skyrocketed. People are getting/paying CRAZY prices for houses. My house is up $135K in two years. The price of a full-sized SUV is creeping up toward a HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS in the US. But dealerships can't keep them in stock. (I know one lady who drives a Caddy SUV that was almost ninety grand! And that's STICKER...before taxes and fees! I bet it was in the mid nineties out the door.) Electronics are going crazy with prices. Used Dingwall basses are listed for slightly MORE than NEW on Reverb, and even a couple here recently. And they're selling in some cases! I know a family that just booked a trip to Disney for next October for ELEVEN THOUSAND BUCKS! And that's before flights! We've been booking rooms in Charlotte and Raleigh and Richmond VA for my kid's volleyball tournaments coming up. Rooms in average hotels are upwards of a couple hundred bucks or more. The only hotel we could get for Atlanta for an Easter weekend tournament was $249 a night before fees. And it's not exactly a five-star joint.

People can't buy big-ticket items fast enough.

Everything is jumping in price, but the increases are met with mostly shrugs.

A few of us here will shake our heads at the second Fender jump in a matter of months. But I'll bet it will slow down sales exactly zero. I hope people are investing in their futures as much as they're investing in "stuff".

Really think it comes down to who you're talking about. If anything I think these past two years has really jacked up the wealth disparity we're seeing. Most of the people I know have been struggling, at least my age. Two of my housemates have been laid off and despite frequent applications to numerous companies, are having trouble finding stable employment. I've been trying to find a new job as well, and I've applied to some 20-odd businesses the last two months, and I've received three replies. I've been working on selling gear since things are tight. My main concern right now is my car. It's upwards of 230,000 miles, has developed a tick in the engine, and if it fails, I don't have the savings to get it repaired, let alone look at buying a new car. I'd be able to if I took out a loan, but I've still got $20,000 plus in student loan debts, and since the federal gov't sold mine off to private holding companies, the stay on payments is no longer applicable. This isn't to sound like a woe-is-me, I can still do most things that I want, I'm not starving. There are many, many people far worse off. But things are real tight these days. And these people that are buying big ticket items and homes? Well, I guess they just landed on the right side of that wealth gap.

Yeah - it's looking like the CPI index is yielding an inflation rate of about 6.2% for American consumers and 4.7% for Canadians over 2021. This means that if your salary hasn't increased by this same percentage, you're effectively taking a pay cut. To put this in perspective, an American worker walking home with a 6.2% pay raise this year would only be breaking even in terms of their purchasing power.

My company, I've been with them for...7 years now I guess, and they gave me less than a 2% last year. I ended up having words with them and threatening to leave as it was the second year in a row I had been promised a large raise to make up for years of underwhelming ones, and they did finally make up for it and raise me to the low-end of the salary average for my job. Last month, they told us there was an immediate price increase in effect for our services, citing inflation as a key issue. I'm await my year-end review and raise, and it'll be interesting to see if they also believe that inflation should be taken into account for our raises.

One of my daughters just bought a 900 square foot home (vintage 1900, brick exterior) for $430K. She makes well under 100K and had help from us and had been saving for about 10 years. It's really, really tough for anyone who's not well paid to afford housing.

I actually think we need municipally owned mobile home parks for affordable housing. Mobile homes live very well, and if there's no rapacious owner trying to wring every $ out of the tenants a well-kept mobile home park can offer a way to get into housing in the $100-$200K range.

Agreed, I honestly don't see owning a home as a viable option in my future until I am able to inherit my father's house. I grew up in a mobile home park. One of the places in the park I grew up in just sold for $500k.

The town I grew up in also had a program where low-income earners who qualified would be able to participate in building their home and neighbors homes while working with a supervising crew. They were meant to provide a continued option for low-income house, and they are now selling at $600-700k.

here in los angeles, real estate prices were skyrocking before the pandemic. condos in our complex are selling for over double what we paid in september, 2013, to over half a mil, and these are 900 square feet with 1 car garages. 1+1 condos in my son's complex are selling for over half a mil now, and the scary part is in the west side of los angeles, that's pretty reasonable.

our neighbor bought a new porsche SUV last year. i didn't ask what it cost, but i definitely see people buying big ticket items. lots of people i know bought fitness equipment, cars, TVs, video game systems, etc. we're seeing more units here being remodeled than we've seen before by people who aren't planning to move. i bought 4 basses during the pandemic, but that's my normal bass acquisition speed. i sold more than that, and got decent money for them with almost no low ball offers or bargaining.

Hell, I can't even afford to get drinks west of Los Feliz it seems. I tend not to go over that side to frequently, in part cause it can be a hassle getting over there, and because it's so expensive. I'm lucky enough to have a decent room in a house in NELA, but I'd hate to be looking for housing right now, anywhere in the city.

Same thing happened where I am. My town is a pleasant spot in the coast about 47 mikes outside Manhattan.

When Covid ramped up big time in pre-vaccine 2019 we suddenly got a large influx of NYers fleeing the city buying homes and snapping up any rentals they could find. And price was no object.

Right now a 1500 sq foot home on a small lot can’t be had for less than $650K. That’s up from about $425-50K right before that. It even hit a point where realtors were directly contacting homeowners to see if they’d be interested in selling. Because the realtors had zero listed properties to show would be buyers. Nothing in the entire town was available at any price for awhile.

I grew up on an island in the Puget Sound, and still work for a company up there, and my family still lives there as well. It has been absolutely inundated by both Seattlites and Californians since the start of the pandemic. The real estate market has gone absolutely nuts, with off-islanders gobbling up as much property as they can to have their retreats. And sadly, a lot of people that did own homes on the island and were renting them to islanders? Well they're selling them now so they can make money while the market is hot, but it's pretty devastating to the locals having to find new accommodations. Compound that with businesses shuttering due to the pandemic, most of which rely on profits made during the tourist season to stay open. Lot of people had to move off-island. My family is trying to find places to rent now as the owner is selling the house, and there's only about three rental options. One was a 900 sq ft apartment, which as a family of 4 people they wouldn't really be able to fit in, and another was 1000 sq ft. The third was $15,000 a month. It's a bit bleak.
 
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One of my daughters just bought a 900 square foot home (vintage 1900, brick exterior) for $430K. She makes well under 100K and had help from us and had been saving for about 10 years. It's really, really tough for anyone who's not well paid to afford housing.

I actually think we need municipally owned mobile home parks for affordable housing. Mobile homes live very well, and if there's no rapacious owner trying to wring every $ out of the tenants a well-kept mobile home park can offer a way to get into housing in the $100-$200K range.
I have two single buddies who live in inherited double wide mobile homes. When I visit I'm surprised how cool they have them set up. They're basically like a single story condo. Around here in So Cal they remove the old mobiles and put a nice wood and drywall modular in their place.
 
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There was a Schecter universal bass hard case that I was about to pull the trigger on when Sweetwater got them back in stock and as of Jan 1, 2022 that same case went from $169.99 to $229.99. I'm now looking at a decent Gator hard case because I'm not paying $230 for "Schecter" etched into a standard ABS case.

It's not just Fender but they seemed to have held out upping their prices a bit longer than other brands I've seen.
 
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