Oh, by the way... not to let my GC issue overshadow the the rest of the GAS relief...
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GC will take a returned (defective) product and put it right out there again (without repair) for sale. Ridiculous! This also happened to me and I have heard other GC customers report similar stories. I get EVERYTHING through Sweetwater now. Nothing but great experiences with them!
- Apr 3, 2003
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Editor's note: After taking what seemed like forever to write this, with several interruptions, I read that the end result is a partial refund and ordering a new horn for self install. I think that's WONDERFUL. Certainly better than I expected. Still, see below about checking for damage to the woofer or it's connections!
However, I'm posting this epistle just for future reference in it's original form.
Hi, Phatty! Say, are you any kin to Flat Stanley? You know, that guy really gets around. But I digress . . . . So, here's my opinion.
Ouch-ey! Yeah, ain't it always some niggling little thing that puts a damper on an otherwise joyous occasion. I say, don't let it bring you down! You got a Rumble 200 head and a 210 cab with working compression horn, and this 112 woofer works? I'd say you got 99% of a great rig for only about 92% of the cost. I'd put some, but very minimal, effort in asking GC to address it, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Nor would I let that 112 out of my possession for one minute. If they say they can fix it, I'd say, "OK, but I'm gonna watch." If they will give you a new horn, GREAT!, I'm sure you can install it. But, the probable bottom line is that it is what it is. (As if anything could be what it ain't?)
First, I'd prefer leaving the screws holding the woofer in place, as is, if possible. So, I would then remove the side handle nearest the horn location to be able to gently reach in and deftly grab the horn's driver that was peeking thru the opposite side's port and retrieve it to the handle opening, while making sure that you do not damage the woofer connections or cone by retrieving the horn driver. IF this is too tight a fit, then I'd remove the woofer for easier access.
Yes, 'T-nuts' backing up the screws inside the cab should remain in place. If one or two 'T-nuts' do fall out, don't worry, they can still usually be reused for reassembly. And that access through the handle opening will REALLY come in handy then!
It looks like the horn's driver is easily detached by just pulling off the two spade lugs, once you have good access to it. So do that at your earliest opportunity.
Then inspect to see that the horn driver hasn't damaged any of the woofer connections or cone when it was flopping around in there! Do this "by feel" if the woofer is still in place, or visually if you have removed the woofer. Woofer damage to the cone or connections could be a more serious GC claim! (Being shipped with the magnet down may have actually saved the woofer from this flailing mace head in transit! Who knows?) Or, it may be just a little more for you to continue to "clean up their mess".
Finally unscrew and remove what's left of the horn's "hood". and then, I guess, super glue the horn driver to the horn hood making sure of a good "keyed" fit, like you mentioned. After an overly long glue drying time, reconnect the reassembled horn to the spade lugs hanging out of the cabs horn hole (sorry, most concise description I got) and rescrew the horn into place, taking care not to overtighten the screws. Likewise, if needed, rescrew the woofer without overtightening, using a "star pattern" on the screws, like with lug nuts on a car tire, proceeding to the next nut or screw on the opposite side to ensure even pressure around the flange.
Ha, ha ha ha ha! Boy, Goner, have I got you fooled! You think I know stuff? Some times I can find information, but I don't carry a lot of it around with me. Whatever "wisdom" I may have consists of knowing that I don't know it all, oftentimes not even much, and occasionally nothing whatsoever. In this case, I've installed "tilt-back" legs on a few of my guitar amps which were totally eazy-peavey with open backs. And, I've removed both side handles from my Bassman 115 Neo in order to install the amp head hold-down hardware for my Bassman 500, and also the "tilt-back" legs for the cab. And, IIRC, most of those screws had the "T-nuts" backing them up inside the cab.
Yeah, in my opinion, it's easy enough to try super gluing the broken one together. And if that doesn't work, get a new one, if you want it bad enough, and replace the broken one.
I totally agree with you, sissy. There are way too many GC anecdotes about the carelessness of some of their employees. One of my son's best friends, the bassist in his band, works at GC and even he is appalled by what he hears about and has seen at a few of them. He tries to encourage better at the store(s) he works at, I get the impression it's more than one, but until he makes manager he feels powerless to get others to change. Sad, yes, but not without the occasional ray of sunshine, so, maybe, some hope?
However, I'm posting this epistle just for future reference in it's original form.
Hi, Phatty! Say, are you any kin to Flat Stanley? You know, that guy really gets around. But I digress . . . . So, here's my opinion.
Ouch-ey! Yeah, ain't it always some niggling little thing that puts a damper on an otherwise joyous occasion. I say, don't let it bring you down! You got a Rumble 200 head and a 210 cab with working compression horn, and this 112 woofer works? I'd say you got 99% of a great rig for only about 92% of the cost. I'd put some, but very minimal, effort in asking GC to address it, but I wouldn't hold my breath. Nor would I let that 112 out of my possession for one minute. If they say they can fix it, I'd say, "OK, but I'm gonna watch." If they will give you a new horn, GREAT!, I'm sure you can install it. But, the probable bottom line is that it is what it is. (As if anything could be what it ain't?)
First, I'd prefer leaving the screws holding the woofer in place, as is, if possible. So, I would then remove the side handle nearest the horn location to be able to gently reach in and deftly grab the horn's driver that was peeking thru the opposite side's port and retrieve it to the handle opening, while making sure that you do not damage the woofer connections or cone by retrieving the horn driver. IF this is too tight a fit, then I'd remove the woofer for easier access.
Yes, 'T-nuts' backing up the screws inside the cab should remain in place. If one or two 'T-nuts' do fall out, don't worry, they can still usually be reused for reassembly. And that access through the handle opening will REALLY come in handy then!
It looks like the horn's driver is easily detached by just pulling off the two spade lugs, once you have good access to it. So do that at your earliest opportunity.
Then inspect to see that the horn driver hasn't damaged any of the woofer connections or cone when it was flopping around in there! Do this "by feel" if the woofer is still in place, or visually if you have removed the woofer. Woofer damage to the cone or connections could be a more serious GC claim! (Being shipped with the magnet down may have actually saved the woofer from this flailing mace head in transit! Who knows?) Or, it may be just a little more for you to continue to "clean up their mess".
Finally unscrew and remove what's left of the horn's "hood". and then, I guess, super glue the horn driver to the horn hood making sure of a good "keyed" fit, like you mentioned. After an overly long glue drying time, reconnect the reassembled horn to the spade lugs hanging out of the cabs horn hole (sorry, most concise description I got) and rescrew the horn into place, taking care not to overtighten the screws. Likewise, if needed, rescrew the woofer without overtightening, using a "star pattern" on the screws, like with lug nuts on a car tire, proceeding to the next nut or screw on the opposite side to ensure even pressure around the flange.
Ha, ha ha ha ha! Boy, Goner, have I got you fooled! You think I know stuff? Some times I can find information, but I don't carry a lot of it around with me. Whatever "wisdom" I may have consists of knowing that I don't know it all, oftentimes not even much, and occasionally nothing whatsoever. In this case, I've installed "tilt-back" legs on a few of my guitar amps which were totally eazy-peavey with open backs. And, I've removed both side handles from my Bassman 115 Neo in order to install the amp head hold-down hardware for my Bassman 500, and also the "tilt-back" legs for the cab. And, IIRC, most of those screws had the "T-nuts" backing them up inside the cab.
Replacing that horn is actually a very easy fix. You can definitely do it.
Yeah, in my opinion, it's easy enough to try super gluing the broken one together. And if that doesn't work, get a new one, if you want it bad enough, and replace the broken one.
I totally agree with you, sissy. There are way too many GC anecdotes about the carelessness of some of their employees. One of my son's best friends, the bassist in his band, works at GC and even he is appalled by what he hears about and has seen at a few of them. He tries to encourage better at the store(s) he works at, I get the impression it's more than one, but until he makes manager he feels powerless to get others to change. Sad, yes, but not without the occasional ray of sunshine, so, maybe, some hope?
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GCs vary so much from store to store. One thing that helps is if you’re registered with them and they see how much money you’ve spent over the years. Im pretty sure the two GCs I’m most familiar with would make good and order a replacement part at no charge, if its available. Swapping it in should be easy and take only a few minutes.
Hey, @G-Dog, I know that you are busy but, are you forgetting what today is? You do it much better that me...hint, HFF 
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How's this... HAPPY FENDER FRIDAY!
by popular demand . . . .
Happy Fender Friday!
Can . . . your . . . Rumble . . . do . . . this?
RUMBLE ON!
In the RV, the Combo 25 can do this:
Yeah, that's cool! But, look what mine can do! Look what mine can do!
Anybody else? Huh? I really want to see a Rumble Stage 800 with 2 matching 210 cabs!!!
Wait a minute. Are we doing "I'll show you mine if you show me yours?"
R200c/R112, Bassman25/R40. BTW, I plugged the B25 in to the R112(the B25's speaker is silenced). Nice sound but the B25 is as heavy as the R112. Kinda defeats the purpose.
Yeah, that's it! Show 'em if you got 'em! Show us them Rumble and/or Bassman stacks and/or piles!!! RUMBLE ON!
Haven't posted in this thread for awhile. Still rocking the twin Rumble 500 combos.
Just a question: is it wrong to mate a Ray 4 with a fretless fender jazz neck? Am I going to get banned because I actually did this ? Did I break some unwritten code of bass ethics?
I am quite pleased with the results. I am playing it on my gig this weekend. It's like jaco on steroids. Lol
It is a squire vm jazz bass neck in ebonal and the ray is all black. It looks as wicked as it sounds.
Just a question: is it wrong to mate a Ray 4 with a fretless fender jazz neck? Am I going to get banned because I actually did this ? Did I break some unwritten code of bass ethics?
I am quite pleased with the results. I am playing it on my gig this weekend. It's like jaco on steroids. Lol
It is a squire vm jazz bass neck in ebonal and the ray is all black. It looks as wicked as it sounds.
We're more about Rumbles than strictly 7ender to my way of thinking. (I'm a mainly Gibson man)
pretty basses!
I will post a picture tomorrow. It is out back in the studio. I really had fun getting the neck to fit and setting up the bass afterwards. It really sounds unique.
I love my Ray and it would be 100% better with a Jazz neck. Even better still if I get the input jack fixed so it'll make noise again. I don't think you'll get banned. We've had some mixing of Rumbles and GK gear without any brawls so you should be safe.
I'm looking forward to seeing the JazzRay or FrankenRay or whatever other name is appropriate.
Ok, I’ll play. I’ve posted this pic before, but why not?
The Musicman SUB in the picture has now gone back to its original owner, and been replaced by Fender Special Edition Noir Precision.
