Fender Rumble Club

[GonePlaid]

You have an 800 head with a 410 cab. You are only making 400 watts vs the 500c 350 watts. 50 watts will not even be noticed really, so you still need a 2nd cab to make full power. Same as a combo and an extension cab. 410s will move more air of course but you still need two cabs to make full power. No different than a combo and an extension cab. I would prefer a two cab setup anyways because one cab blasting at your knees is no good for hearing yourself onstage. With two cabs (or combo on top of an extension cab) you will hear yourself much better.

Also, a 200 could be plenty for someone playing in a non metal band and going thru a PA. Unless you are playing house parties or dive bars, you are usually going to have a sound guy and running thru a PA.

Maybe you are. We never have that.

 

[jdshimkoski]

You have an 800 head with a 410 cab. You are only making 400 watts vs the 500c 350 watts. 50 watts will not even be noticed really, so you still need a 2nd cab to make full power. Same as a combo and an extension cab. 410s will move more air of course but you still need two cabs to make full power. No different than a combo and an extension cab. I would prefer a two cab setup anyways because one cab blasting at your knees is no good for hearing yourself onstage. With two cabs (or combo on top of an extension cab) you will hear yourself much better.

Also, a 200 could be plenty for someone playing in a non metal band and going thru a PA. Unless you are playing house parties or dive bars, you are usually going to have a sound guy and running thru a PA.

Of course I’m only using 400 watts. Please go back and read my original reply on this topic.

The point is flexibility of choosing what is suitable for the room you’re playing and to have the headroom to spare when you need it.

In a perfect world, every gig we all play would be in a venue where everyone is going through the P.A. and the amp is solely used as a monitor.

In the real world, some venues are great, some are horrible, some have great P.As, some barely have enough for a decent vocal volume.

If you know that you will always be playing in nice venues, just buy a DI and forget the amp all together.

From my experience, the 200 was not enough to cover all of the variables of a live situation that I have encountered over the years. It’s not saying it’s a bad amp, or that it won’t work for other people, it just wasn’t enough for what I need.

 

[mbell75]

Maybe you are. We never have that.

You never have a sound guy and a proper PA where you play? That’s odd. Even most 100-150 capacity bars have them out here in Southern California. I won’t even bother playing anywhere that doesn’t have PA support because it always turns into a sound war between guitars and bass, singer gets buried and anyone watching g you will hear lousy sound. People up front will be blasted and people in the back will just hear kick drum and bass. Not interested. Been there and done that enough.

 

[Cardsfan_69]

He could always join the ranks of "Bass Players with Hearing Aids Club". Mine cost $4K and they are a pain in the butt .

What? Heh? Speak up man!

 

[mbell75]

Of course I’m only using 400 watts. Please go back and read my original reply on this topic.

The point is flexibility of choosing what is suitable for the room your playing and to have the headroom to spare when you need it.

In a perfect world, every gig we all play would be in a venue where everyone is going through the P.A. and the amp is solely used as a monitor.

In the real world, some venues are great, some are horrible, some have great P.As, some barely have enough for a decent vocal volume.

If you know that you will always be playing in nice venues, just buy a DI and forget the amp all together.

From my experience, the 200 was not enough to cover all of the variables of a live situation that I have encountered over the years. It’s not saying it’s a bad amp, or that it won’t work for other people, it just wasn’t enough for what I need.

Right but you said once you get to the point where you need an extension cab, a combo is pointless. What’s the difference between carrying a combo and an extension cab or a head and two cabs? Same difference. Actually, a combo and extension is less to carry

 

[jdshimkoski]

Right but you said once you get to the point where you need an extension cab, a combo is pointless. What’s the difference between carrying a combo and an extension cab or a head and two cabs? Same difference. Actually, a combo and extension is less to carry

It’s not less when you have gigs where a cab is already back lined for you.

Instead of carrying a 35 lbs combo, I can carry a lightweight head.

And, with the 410, you only need 1 cab in most situations.

 

[GonePlaid]

You never have a sound guy and a proper PA where you play? That’s odd. Even most 100-150 capacity bars have them out here in Southern California. I won’t even bother playing anywhere that doesn’t have PA support because it always turns into a sound war between guitars and bass, singer gets buried and anyone watching g you will hear lousy sound. People up front will be blasted and people in the back will just hear kick drum and bass. Not interested. Been there and done that enough.

Hey! That's great you have that situation. In this area of SE FL, places don't have PA's-or soundmen-so we hafta provide our own. A coupla places have said they had PA and it was a total POS-usually designed for club meetings or announcements "will the owner of the white Toyota....."-not for vocals, much less a full band. We play a few Service clubs(VA, VFW, American Legion, etc.), smaller restaurant/lounges, and country clubs, pretty much every weekend-and it's the "off" season here. One place we occasionally play has a decent PA system. They don't pay well and they charge the band to use the PA(still NO soundman). We bring our own. BTW, for anyone who thinks SE FL (not Miami/Ft. Laud)is a hotbed of live music, it ain't. I'm thankful I don't rely on it as a source of income.

 

[GonePlaid]

What? Heh? Speak up man!

I've become quite proficient at saying "Huh?"

 

[GonePlaid]

It’s not less when you have gigs where a cab is already back lined for you.

Instead of carrying a 35 lbs combo, I can carry a lightweight head.

And, with the 410, you only need 1 cab in most situations.

What's "backlined"? (I know what it means, the only time I've done a thing where a bass amp was provided, it was too small for the gig.)
Point(s) being, each person's needs and situations are different. We used to have a gig at an outdoor venue(custom car show)where PA was provided, but the community cancelled the shows, so back to square one.

 

[mbell75]

It’s not less when you have gigs where a cab is already back lined for you.

Instead of carrying a 35 lbs combo, I can carry a lightweight head.

And, with the 410, you only need 1 cab in most situations.

True but I still need an amp, even with a DI like my SansAmp. I’m not investing in IEMs anytime soon, so I need an amp to hear myself on stage when I go DI. So a head is useless to me, need a combo amp.

 

[jdshimkoski]

What's "backlined"? (I know what it means, the only time I've done a thing where a bass amp was provided, it was too small for the gig.)

Haha. Yeah, it’s a luxury when it happens and it’s actually a decent cab or amp.

 

[Ronzo]

BTW, for anyone who thinks SE FL (not Miami/Ft. Laud)is a hotbed of live music, it ain't. I'm thankful I don't rely on it as a source of income.

It is, however, a hotbed of DJs. With huge subs, piezo tweeters, and no midrange.

The highs pull your fillings out, and the lows pulverize them. Apparently subsidized by the American Dental Association.

 

[JPDsma]

I find the ‘adequate’ or not discussion very interesting. I hope to someday be in a band that is good enough to do gigs, not just open mic.... and then to progress to places where one ‘needs’ more than my 200c, be it via FOH and a real sound engineer or whatever. Still, it is good to read each player’s different experiences and needs. Thanks

 

[Michael B]

Yes, I mean how loud is your stage volume? How many decibels (C-weighting preferred)?

When I play with a loud drummer, the 200 didn't cut it. It sounded great but not enough power. The 500 and 800 do not have any problems keeping up.

Other - not as hard hitting drummers - the 200 does fine.

No need to be so detailed about it IMO. It's just my impression as well as some others.

 

[mbell75]

I find the ‘adequate’ or not discussion very interesting. I hope to someday be in a band that is good enough to do gigs, not just open mic.... and then to progress to places where one ‘needs’ more than my 200c, be it via FOH and a real sound engineer or whatever. Still, it is good to read each player’s different experiences and needs. Thanks

I have had the 100, 200 and 500 combos. Ended up going back to the 500. It’s not about needing more watts or more volume, it’s about what I play. I mostly play indie pop, rock and punk with a pick most the time and I found a 15 inch speaker was a terrible choice for that. Way too boomy and muddy sounding. The 12inch was a bit better but still too boomy and boxy sounding, not to mention hardly any volume beyond home practice. 10s just work the best for what I play, so that’s why I have the 500. It’s not for the watts or volume really.

 

[GonePlaid]

I have had the 100, 200 and 500 combos. Ended up going back to the 500. It’s not about needing more watts or more volume, it’s about what I play. I mostly play indie pop, rock and punk with a pick most the time and I found a 15 inch speaker was a terrible choice for that. Way too boomy and muddy sounding. The 12inch was a bit better but still too boomy and boxy sounding, not to mention hardly any volume beyond home practice. 10s just work the best for what I play, so that’s why I have the 500. It’s not for the watts or volume really.

Yup. Our needs are different. Our group does-mostly-60s/70s 'classic' rock. I find the single 15 of the 200c gives me the sound I want. I do have 'bass' at around 9-10(clock)for most rooms. I'm not a big fan of 10s and the $ and weight difference of 2x10 vs 1x15 made my choice easy. The sound(s)I hear in my head came from one of these but that was a loooong time ago-and definitely not enuff watts(50?)

 

[mbell75]

Yup. Our needs are different. Our group does-mostly-60s/70s 'classic' rock. I find the single 15 of the 200c gives me the sound I want. I do have 'bass' at around 9-10(clock)for most rooms. I'm not a big fan of 10s and the $ and weight difference of 2x10 vs 1x15 made my choice easy. The sound(s)I hear in my head came from one of theseView attachment 3472219 but that was a loooong time ago-and definitely not enuff watts(50?)

50 watts and 2x12 cab, but those are tube watts. Those have 4 preamp and 2 5881 power tubes. Not sure what that equates to in Class D watts but id guess around 200 or so. Wouldn't be enough for a loud rock band but that would be a nice rig for a more moderate volume band.

 

[GonePlaid]

50 watts and 2x12 cab, but those are tube watts. Those have 4 preamp and 2 5881 power tubes. Not sure what that equates to in Class D watts but id guess around 200 or so. Wouldn't be enough for a loud rock band but that would be a nice rig for a more moderate volume band.

Yup. I had 2 of 'em. Sold 'em when I got outta the full-time music biz in 84. Wish I still had them.

 

[bhendrix]

Good afternoon Fender Rumble Club! Would be a pleasure to join your ranks - pic below to fill the requirement. Long story short - gave my Blackstar U250 to my nephew who's been learning bass and now starting to play with friends and hopefully start a band. Some new opportunities arise that would get me playing much more and possibly gigging a bit again. Thought about the U500 - went back to local GC to demo it and others - saw the Rumble 500 (was so close to buying before). Picked up the U500 - then picked up the Rumble 500 .

So I submit for your perusal - my new Rumble 500 v3 combo posing with my Jazz (dressed up for the occasion with new red moto pickguard!)

 

[Inky13]

@Tad , @G-Dog , @Stumbo ,

Heard back from Fender today. The HPF within the Rumble is "proprietary."

So I guess we are stuck using our ears like cavemen

Rats! I’d love to know where the cut is.