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I agree with Maarti, in general, since the Scarlett User Guide says the XLR Input automatically uses the internal preamp. (The Motu User Guide is less explanatory with a straightforward "do not" statement, but I assume a similar situation.)

" ... ... The Scarlett 2i2 has no “Mic/line” switch – the Focusrite preamp stage is automatically configured for a microphone when you plug an XLR into the input, and for a line or instrument when you connect a jack plug. ... .... Set the INST switch to OFF if you are connecting a line level source such as a keyboard, synthesiser or the balanced output of an external audio mixer via a 3-pole (TRS) jack. Note the Combo connector accepts both TRS and TS types of jack plug."​

However, with all due respect to Maarti, I'm not so sure that "XLR Line Out to XLR Mic In [automatically] equals Smoke." ;)

If you just cannot get a good full sound using the TRS Input, and if you feel very adventurous, you might try the following at your own risk. Keep in mind that this is apparently not recommended by the manufacturers.

However, since the Rumble XLR Out level is controlled by the Master control, It may be possible to use the XLR Input on the Scarlett if you start with a very low, or zero, Rumble Master level. Slowly working your way up to a usable, but still low, Rumble Master level may be the key you'relooking for! You should probably turn down the Scarlett's Input Gain, and turn down, or off, the Rumble’s Gain, Overdrive and EQ, at the beginning, to be sure not to overdrive the signal going to the Scarlett's preamp. Then see if this works OK as you s-l-o-w-l-y turn up the Rumble’s Master for testing while diligently monitoring the Scarlett for distortion and overheating. If there is no overheating then, go back to a low Rumble Master level setting and try adding EQ to taste for more testing, again listening very closely to the Scarlett's output for distortion, overdrive or clipping, and still monitoring for overheating.

This might possibly give you the fuller sound you're looking for, but please be very, very careful, since this is not recommended by the manufacturer. And, good luck.

What say you other Scarlett and/or Motu users about this?
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Wow! There's an awful lot of warnings, cautions, provisos, quid pro quos and otherwise fine print imbedded therein!

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Tim
 
I agree with Maarti, in general, since the Scarlett User Guide says the XLR Input automatically uses the internal preamp. (The Motu User Guide is less explanatory with a straightforward "do not" statement, but I assume a similar situation.)

" ... ... The Scarlett 2i2 has no “Mic/line” switch – the Focusrite preamp stage is automatically configured for a microphone when you plug an XLR into the input, and for a line or instrument when you connect a jack plug. ... .... Set the INST switch to OFF if you are connecting a line level source such as a keyboard, synthesiser or the balanced output of an external audio mixer via a 3-pole (TRS) jack. Note the Combo connector accepts both TRS and TS types of jack plug."​

However, with all due respect to Maarti, I'm not so sure that "XLR Line Out to XLR Mic In [automatically] equals Smoke." ;)

If you just cannot get a good full sound using the TRS Input, and if you feel very adventurous, you might try the following at your own risk. Keep in mind that this is apparently not recommended by the manufacturers.

However, since the Rumble XLR Out level is controlled by the Master control, It may be possible to use the XLR Input on the Scarlett if you start with a very low, or zero, Rumble Master level. Slowly working your way up to a usable, but still low, Rumble Master level may be the key you'relooking for! You should probably turn down the Scarlett's Input Gain, and turn down, or off, the Rumble’s Gain, Overdrive and EQ, at the beginning, to be sure not to overdrive the signal going to the Scarlett's preamp. Then see if this works OK as you s-l-o-w-l-y turn up the Rumble’s Master for testing while diligently monitoring the Scarlett for distortion and overheating. If there is no overheating then, go back to a low Rumble Master level setting and try adding EQ to taste for more testing, again listening very closely to the Scarlett's output for distortion, overdrive or clipping, and still monitoring for overheating.

This might possibly give you the fuller sound you're looking for, but please be very, very careful, since this is not recommended by the manufacturer. And, good luck.

What say you other Scarlett and/or Motu users about this?
.

Wow! There's an awful lot of warnings, cautions, provisos, quid pro quos and otherwise fine print imbedded therein!

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Tim

I think Vince Guaraldi had a hit song in the '60's about that...

Tim
 
I've just bought my first Rumble-- Stage 800... So far it seems like a great amp! I'll be pairing it with a Bergantino 1x12 cab. I'd like to replace the grill cloth with the silver cloth as seen on the regular Rumble 800 2x10. Has anyone tried that?
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Aye, aye, [sky! @[skyraider], you are now member #1595 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Please put that number in your TalkBass Signature for safe keeping. Then make yourself at home here and on your Rumble Club Wiki page, the repository of all Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

And, raidy], you are encouraged to post the inevitable modeling discussions in The Club's Rumble LT25, Studio 40 & Stage 800 sub-thread created specifically for that purpose. It helps to keep this main Club thread less confusing for our non-modeling brethren and sistren. ;)

Your question about replacing the grille cloth, though, is sufficiently general in Rumble nature for discussing here. AFAIK, it is still a DIY project, since I've not heard of any widely available commercial supplier, or service, willing to do the complete job for us. Though several Rumblers have changed the cloth themselves on the original wood frame, a few have even built new frames with new cloth to keep the original grille assembly intact. :thumbsup:

So, how's about telling us a bit about yourself, [sky, such as your bass experience in general and your Rumble journey in particular. Since we have all kinds here, you should fit in quite easily. But we all love to ... ... ...

Rumble On!
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@LeMaartien
@13bass
@G-Dog

Thanks to everyone responding to my question. I think I'll play it safe and keep using the XLR-TRS connection to my audio interface.
I think I need some lessons or guidance recording, there sure are lots of variables that go into using all the equipment and settings in the DAW, wow it's a whole other world ! I'm getting better but at first by the time I had everything hooked up and all the nonsense settings in the DAW and bass tuned, I felt burnt and didn't feel like recording ! I'm a slow work in progress.
Wishing everyone a great day/night, take care, stay healthy and bass on brothers and sisters !!
 
@LeMaartien
@13bass
@G-Dog

Thanks to everyone responding to my question. I think I'll play it safe and keep using the XLR-TRS connection to my audio interface.
I think I need some lessons or guidance recording, there sure are lots of variables that go into using all the equipment and settings in the DAW, wow it's a whole other world ! I'm getting better but at first by the time I had everything hooked up and all the nonsense settings in the DAW and bass tuned, I felt burnt and didn't feel like recording! I'm a slow work in progress.
Wishing everyone a great day/night, take care, stay healthy and bass on brothers and sisters !!
When it comes to recording, I don't think the learning curve is ever really over. I've been recording for only two years, and I am just starting to understand some of it. You can get some pretty good recordings without a degree in recording. Have fun with it!
 
@LeMaartien
@13bass
@G-Dog

Thanks to everyone responding to my question. I think I'll play it safe and keep using the XLR-TRS connection to my audio interface.
I think I need some lessons or guidance recording, there sure are lots of variables that go into using all the equipment and settings in the DAW, wow it's a whole other world ! I'm getting better but at first by the time I had everything hooked up and all the nonsense settings in the DAW and bass tuned, I felt burnt and didn't feel like recording ! I'm a slow work in progress.
Wishing everyone a great day/night, take care, stay healthy and bass on brothers and sisters !!

It certainly is a learning experience but it is worth the effort. A DAW allows you to collaborate with others or just learn new or practice tunes on your own and at your own speed.

To me, it was a way to get through COVID but now, I can play along with my favorite musicians, some of whom are not with us any longer. Google and YouTube are great resources as is TalkBass!
 
@LeMaartien
@13bass
@G-Dog

Thanks to everyone responding to my question. I think I'll play it safe and keep using the XLR-TRS connection to my audio interface.
I think I need some lessons or guidance recording, there sure are lots of variables that go into using all the equipment and settings in the DAW, wow it's a whole other world ! I'm getting better but at first by the time I had everything hooked up and all the nonsense settings in the DAW and bass tuned, I felt burnt and didn't feel like recording ! I'm a slow work in progress.
Wishing everyone a great day/night, take care, stay healthy and bass on brothers and sisters !!
Your description of your experience with recording, matches mine very closely. I undertook recording during the coronavirus period, like others here, and it is the hardest thing I've tried to learn in decades. I'm just now -- after nearly three years -- reaching a basic comfort level with it. But it will be lifelong learning.
 
Your description of your experience with recording, matches mine very closely. I undertook recording during the coronavirus period, like others here, and it is the hardest thing I've tried to learn in decades. I'm just now -- after nearly three years -- reaching a basic comfort level with it. But it will be lifelong learning.

You said it, @John Stephen...learning is lifelong. DAWs are a long cry from the tape recorders from back in the the 60s but, what a wonderful and rewarding, learning experience...IMHO.
 
So, tonight I decided to order another Rumble 100 from Sweetwater. That way, if I need a little more oomph, I can just daisy chain it to my other Rumble 100!! 200W out of 2 12 inch speakers-whenever necessary!

I wonder how different that would sound than my Rumble 200 and 115 cab, it's 200watts out of the 2x15s. 12s have a nice sound !! Congrats
 
Awesome! ....C500 performed well. Looking very compact in this shot.....View attachment 4996055
She packed the punch I was looking for though. Clear crisp solid tone up and down the line. Ended up turning off the tweeter. Bright and Vintage buttons on. I didn't have to push her hard at all with the line array PA support. Happy to say that the guitar player complained the bass was too loud on stage....that's got to be a first.
Here's my settings.....just idling really.

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Couldn't be happier with this amp. Truly may be the last bass amp I'll ever own.
Did you use the overdrive?
 
No, I didn't use the overdrive. I used a Sansamp programmable DI with some drive added. I still need to play more with the amp drive to see if I can find it useful...wasn't really ready to go there yet in a live setting.
I use my o/d all the time-as MUTE.
 
NCD! Rumble 40.
It's been a while since I posted anything. Life has been busy, lol. But I noodle away on the bass when I make the time.
The Studio 40 has been a disappointment. I had buyers regret with it and never got over it. It's only my buzzy ears, but it doesn't sound as good and full as a regular 40c.
I considered moving up to a bigger combo and looked around for used, and even new are not easy to always find! A 200c was the wish but a 100c would be good. Then I made a mistake of going to see a Squier P 40th VE (OMG what a beautiful and simply silky smooth beast! But I digress). There was a 40 there for me to plug into and I enjoyed both the bass and the tone through that setup. I know they have a Studio 40 there and moved it beside the 40c to compare, and again I get that bland tone I never seemed to dial out of my own Studio 40.
I put the P back on the rack (still thinking about it, lol) and went home to fidget with my Studio 40 some more and still feel it's bland.
Today I found a shop 30 minutes away that had the 100c, 40c and the Ampeg RB110 in stock! Drove over and they have a great little auditioning room :) They left me alone as long as I wanted with the 3 combos. Started on the 40 and felt right at home with the tone, setting my ear to the room and the store's Sire P5. Next onto the 100c and it was good but boomy on lows and not as articulate on the highs. Then onto the RB110 and it was pure vanilla. Did everything well and but no character or soul. Back to the 100c and the richness of the Rumble was instant (yep, it has different coloring of the tone). I messed with it and found a tone I liked. Then back onto the 40c and it was like going home. No need to find a tone, it feels like a wide palette to my ears. Messing with it felt like exploring new paths more than trying to make my ears happy. Sold!

Conclusion: get what sounds best to you! lol.

Studio 40 with footswitch is listed for sale. Now to ease the GAS on that Squire P...
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