Fender Rumble Club

[G-Dog]

I have owned a Fender BXR200, and it has been more than enough for over 20 years, but I decided to upgrade to the Rumble Stage 800. My very first Fender Rumble amp! It is being delivered by FedEx tomorrow (Tuesday, April 4, 2023). I downloaded and read the entire manual and addendum in anticipation. I was wondering if there is a map somewhere of all the included presets, so I at least have an idea of where I'm starting from. The manual says it comes with 100 sequentially numbered presets, "and users can create and add even more." Is there a limit, or are you replacing some of the 100 with your own or downloaded presets? I guess I'll have to play with it to find out unless someone answers here. I love that you can make setlists and move presets around (renumbering them), that will be super useful. I'll probably just go through each one and "favorite" the ones I like the best, then go to the favorites setlist and create my own numbered lists from the ones in there.

Wassup, Jazzy? @Jazzfretless, you are now member #1605 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Please put that number in your TalkBass Signature for safe keeping. Then make yourself at home here and on your Rumble Club Wiki page, the repository of all Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

Jazzy, we have special Club sub-thread for the bass modeling Rumble LT25, Studio 40 & Stage 800 that you'll find helpful. In fact, we ask that you confine modeling discussions there and only discuss general Rumbling here, please. There 200 "slots" for storing presets, and the 100 factory presets are stored in 1 thru 100. 101 thru are empty, ready to receive your own custom made combinations. Of course, you can overwrite slots 1 thru 100, if you want to, and you can always reset back to the factory setup! The stock presets are described in great detail in The Droopy_TX Rumble Preset Experience sub-section of the Fender Tone App Support section of your Rumble Club Wiki page. Droo has made several great documents about the presets, including a spreadsheet template where you can record your own combinations!

So, Jazzy, how about telling us a bit about yourself, such as your bass experience in general and your Rumble journey in particular? We have all kinds here so you're bound to fit right in. But we all love to ... ... ...

Rumble On!
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[G-Dog]

Thanks G, interesting to hear you say a 15 pairs better with the 500 than with the 800. I wonder why. I am leaning towards a 210 and ideally a Rumble but I always buy 2nd hand so can't be too picky. Assuming that pretty much any 210 is going to be the best option. Thanks mate

The 115 cab is rated at 300watts rms, the 800combo will put out 400watts rms into the 8 ohm cab and could blow the speaker, the 500 combo puts out 250watts rms into an 8 ohm load so the 115 cab can handle the wattage

Yeah, Tommy, Dr. Evil is right about the rating of the 115 holding it back a bit. You need to keep the 800's volume down quite a bit to avoid the risk of damage.

OR, you can flip the 800's Impedance Switch to the 4 ohm setting, which reduces the power somewhat also! And, of course there is the 800's Output Switch that reduces its power to 1/4 the usual!
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[dORSY]

Watching another thread, people saying the new 800 combo and a 210 cab won't be loud enough for a band with 2 guitarists that run 100 watt 4x12 cabs. Of course my band only has 1 guitarist with 100 watts and 4x12 and super loud drummer, my darn Rumble 200 and 115 cab has always been enough stage volume. Holy crap what kind of volume can people play at, frikin 800 watts and it's not enough. I can't even turn my 200 watts up and everyone starts to cry, bass is all we hear, bass is bleeding through all the stage mics, waaaaaah ! LOL

Watts != volume (general rule of thumb if there's same speaker efficiency that x10 Watts = x2 volume) so an 800W rig is not that much louder

also note that producing mid frequencies can be done much more efficiently! (thus we need moar wattz) but luckily the most we need are still mid freqs


my measurements of the r100 crancked

 

[Deleted member 268085]

Watts != volume (general rule of thumb if there's same speaker efficiency that x10 Watts = x2 volume) so an 800W rig is not that much louder

also note that producing mid frequencies can be done much more efficiently! (thus we need moar wattz) but luckily the most we need are still mid freqs


my measurements of the r100 crancked

Yet another vote for the Rumble 40! This is the first time I've heard him mention Rumbles. And it's actually one of his most useful videos. Bookmarked.

 

[Cowboy0071]

Just wanna say first I love my Stage 800, was at a local GC today and saw the new Rumble 800, my old back was instantly a little PO'd at fender at how light it felt lol

 

[Runnerman]

Just wanna say first I love my Stage 800, was at a local GC today and saw the new Rumble 800, my old back was instantly a little PO'd at fender at how light it felt lol

Yeah, I can't get over how light my 500C is. So much power in that light little box. Way, way less that that old Peavey stuff I used to haul around. Bravo to Fender for that.

 

[FearNoEvil65]

Yeah, I can't get over how light my 500C is. So much power in that light little box. Way, way less that that old Peavey stuff I used to haul around. Bravo to Fender for that.

The new 800 non effects combo is the lightest at 29lbs, so lighter than all the older combos. I'm looking to get one eventually

 

[drooartz]

Just wanna say first I love my Stage 800, was at a local GC today and saw the new Rumble 800, my old back was instantly a little PO'd at fender at how light it felt lol

My new 800c shaved 22 pounds off my amp load-in. While I love the tone of the Mesa Boogie Walkabout Scout I still have, that 22 pounds is a real thing! Not sure I'll lug the Boogie out much anymore.

 

[jwilson67]

Do you by chance have the stiletto custom? I think that eq is the BTS. I'm pretty sure that preamp has adjustable dip-switches for the treble.

My pre amp is by EMG. The b64eq to be exact. It's just the wiring is not at all correct according to the diagrams and I noticed that the volume and balance pot were not EMG.

Just wanna say first I love my Stage 800, was at a local GC today and saw the new Rumble 800, my old back was instantly a little PO'd at fender at how light it felt lol

Throw some Eminence Basslites in it. Win-Win!

 

[oysterphish]

Watching another thread, people saying the new 800 combo and a 210 cab won't be loud enough for a band with 2 guitarists that run 100 watt 4x12 cabs. Of course my band only has 1 guitarist with 100 watts and 4x12 and super loud drummer, my darn Rumble 200 and 115 cab has always been enough stage volume. Holy crap what kind of volume can people play at, frikin 800 watts and it's not enough. I can't even turn my 200 watts up and everyone starts to cry, bass is all we hear, bass is bleeding through all the stage mics, waaaaaah ! LOL

I wonder if I was one of those who was disgruntled with the new 800c. . My issue was, sure, I could crank the volume to keep up with a loud band, but due to some internal, pre baked-in compression, or limiting (not sure how Fender described it to me) I would get a nasty clipping sound that would sneak in upon attacking my E string. If you've worked with compression before, I think you'll know what I'm talking about. I had a sound engineer listen for it and he told me this;"yes, I can hear it. It's there. Are you going to hear it in the mix? Maybe not. Are you going to be happy knowing it's there or when playing on your own? If the answer is no, return it. So I did." I've tried several 800c in other locations, and heard clipping there too. I went with the 500c for practice Amp and rehearsals. Absolutely zero obnoxious clipping and it absolutely sits in the mix better than the 800c. The 500c actually.... rumbles! The 800c sacrificed some serious low end for more clarity and definition in the mids and highs. This I've seen from TBers, too. Guys who returned their 800s because it didn't fill rooms they'd gigged in before like the 500 did. I firmly believe them and agree.
When I called Fender about the clipping, the guy on the phone says this, "Well, what'd you expect from some cheap crap from over seas?" I was appalled. The 800c is certainly not cheap, at least for me. Oh well, the 500c works for what I'm doing.

I recall hounding @G-Dog quite a bit when trying to decipher what to do about all my issues. He was a pretty huge help. He legit knew more about this stuff than the techs I talked to at Fender. Thanks again!

 

[FearNoEvil65]

I wonder if I was one of those who was disgruntled with the new 800c. . My issue was, sure, I could crank the volume to keep up with a loud band, but due to some internal, pre baked-in compression, or limiting (not sure how Fender described it to me) I would get a nasty clipping sound that would sneak in upon attacking my E string. If you've worked with compression before, I think you'll know what I'm talking about. I had a sound engineer listen for it and he told me this;"yes, I can hear it. It's there. Are you going to hear it in the mix? Maybe not. Are you going to be happy knowing it's there or when playing on your own? If the answer is no, return it. So I did." I've tried several 800c in other locations, and heard clipping there too. I went with the 500c for practice Amp and rehearsals. Absolutely zero obnoxious clipping and it absolutely sits in the mix better than the 800c. The 500c actually.... rumbles! The 800c sacrificed some serious low end for more clarity and definition in the mids and highs. This I've seen from TBers, too. Guys who returned their 800s because it didn't fill rooms they'd gigged in before like the 500 did. I firmly believe them and agree.
When I called Fender about the clipping, the guy on the phone says this, "Well, what'd you expect from some cheap crap from over seas?" I was appalled. The 800c is certainly not cheap, at least for me. Oh well, the 500c works for what I'm doing.

I recall hounding @G-Dog quite a bit when trying to decipher what to do about all my issues. He was a pretty huge help. He legit knew more about this stuff than the techs I talked to at Fender. Thanks again!

Maybe the 500 does push better with more volume and less compression, I only have a Rumble 200 and 115 cab. To bad the DI on the older rumbles is affected by master volume, that's a huge negative for me. First time I've heard this about I guess I'd have to test an 800 before I consider buying one.
That thread also said a 500 combo with any ext speaker wouldn't be enough volume either. A Rumble 500 with a 2x10 or 4x10 8 ohm cab is seriously loud. I never play anywhere that the sound person would let me turn up that much stage volume. I guess some people have serious arena gigs I'm frikin jealous

 

[oysterphish]

Maybe the 500 does push better with more volume and less compression, I only have a Rumble 200 and 115 cab. To bad the DI on the older rumbles is affected by master volume, that's a huge negative for me. First time I've heard this about I guess I'd have to test an 800 before I consider buying one.
That thread also said a 500 combo with any ext speaker wouldn't be enough volume either. A Rumble 500 with a 2x10 or 4x10 8 ohm cab is seriously loud. I never play anywhere that the sound person would let me turn up that much stage volume. I guess some people have serious arena gigs I'm frikin jealous

Most joints in my town have awesome in house gear. So most people are coming with simply a 200-500w combo or 2 tens and a head and that's plenty. I think gone are the days of lugging serious baggage around....
I could see 4x10s or maybe adding a 2x10 to the 500c being beneficial for some outdoor gigs, maybe. I guess it just depends on what's already prepped on stage. ‍

 

[SoulReflection]

Maybe the 500 does push better with more volume and less compression, I only have a Rumble 200 and 115 cab. To bad the DI on the older rumbles is affected by master volume, that's a huge negative for me. First time I've heard this about I guess I'd have to test an 800 before I consider buying one.
That thread also said a 500 combo with any ext speaker wouldn't be enough volume either. A Rumble 500 with a 2x10 or 4x10 8 ohm cab is seriously loud. I never play anywhere that the sound person would let me turn up that much stage volume. I guess some people have serious arena gigs I'm frikin jealous

I wouldn't be jealous or envious. Those people will be wearing hearing aids, like I do now. I only played with a 60 watt tube amp and a 2-15 cab but, after a few years of playing in a band, 7 nights a week, I needed hearing aids at 40. It's not just the bass. It's the drums, guitar and any others that play at high volume.

Save yourself the hassle and expense. Wear hearing protection.

 

[G-Dog]

I wonder if I was one of those who was disgruntled with the new 800c. . My issue was, sure, I could crank the volume to keep up with a loud band, but due to some internal, pre baked-in compression, or limiting (not sure how Fender described it to me) I would get a nasty clipping sound that would sneak in upon attacking my E string. If you've worked with compression before, I think you'll know what I'm talking about. I had a sound engineer listen for it and he told me this;"yes, I can hear it. It's there. Are you going to hear it in the mix? Maybe not. Are you going to be happy knowing it's there or when playing on your own? If the answer is no, return it. So I did." I've tried several 800c in other locations, and heard clipping there too. I went with the 500c for practice Amp and rehearsals. Absolutely zero obnoxious clipping and it absolutely sits in the mix better than the 800c. The 500c actually.... rumbles! The 800c sacrificed some serious low end for more clarity and definition in the mids and highs. This I've seen from TBers, too. Guys who returned their 800s because it didn't fill rooms they'd gigged in before like the 500 did. I firmly believe them and agree. ... ... ...

Nah, Lt. Dan, Sir, I would call your comments in the Fender Rumble 800 Combo Thread for the NEW 2022 800 Combo as simply dissatisfied, rather than disgruntled. You couldn't get your tone with the R800c, but you did with the R500c. Straightforward, no harm, no foul, no anger, no malice aforethought, no rant. And that's ... ... OK.​

... ... ... When I called Fender about the clipping, the guy on the phone says this, "Well, what'd you expect from some cheap crap from over seas?" I was appalled. The 800c is certainly not cheap, at least for me. Oh well, the 500c works for what I'm doing.

I recall hounding @G-Dog quite a bit when trying to decipher what to do about all my issues. He was a pretty huge help. He legit knew more about this stuff than the techs I talked to at Fender. Thanks again!

Yeah, Dan, I, too, was appalled just reading that quote from an, obviously overpaid, perhaps undertrained, Fender Customer Support Representative! You musta caught them on a very bad day.

No, the R800c is definitely NOT cheap, but it most assuredly IS inexpensive for what it is. Inexpensive good quality is the hallmark of the Fender Rumble value line of amps. The Fender Bassman is the premium quality line. And, thanks to our Marshall Plan after WWII, overseas manufacturing no longer automatically means crap.

And, thanks for your vote of confidence, Dan. Always glad to help. But I assure you that, if I know more than some Sales Techs, I know much less than most genuine Electronics Techs. It seems you talked to the former, instead of the latter. ​

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[Photonic]

Yet another vote for the Rumble 40! This is the first time I've heard him mention Rumbles. And it's actually one of his most useful videos. Bookmarked.

This was a fabulous video and post. I have been playing my bass through my amp sim and out of my 5" monitor speakers and feel that I am missing something and worried about my monitors! So I was trying to decide between the Rumble 25 and the 40 for home practice only. This post was so helpful in picking the 40 AND all of the tips on tone and fundamentals and frequencies was absolutely fascinating. I learned a ton.

 

[Jazzfretless]

Wassup, Jazzy? @Jazzfretless, you are now member #1605 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Please put that number in your TalkBass Signature for safe keeping. Then make yourself at home here and on your Rumble Club Wiki page, the repository of all Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

Jazzy, we have special Club sub-thread for the bass modeling Rumble LT25, Studio 40 & Stage 800 that you'll find helpful. In fact, we ask that you confine modeling discussions there and only discuss general Rumbling here, please. There 200 "slots" for storing presets, and the 100 factory presets are stored in 1 thru 100. 101 thru are empty, ready to receive your own custom made combinations. Of course, you can overwrite slots 1 thru 100, if you want to, and you can always reset back to the factory setup! The stock presets are described in great detail in The Droopy_TX Rumble Preset Experience sub-section of the Fender Tone App Support section of your Rumble Club Wiki page. Droo has made several great documents about the presets, including a spreadsheet template where you can record your own combinations!

So, Jazzy, how about telling us a bit about yourself, such as your bass experience in general and your Rumble journey in particular? We have all kinds here so you're bound to fit right in. But we all love to ... ... ...

Rumble On!
.​

Hey G, thanks for the welcome! Per the FedEx usual, I am still waiting for delivery, but they promise it will be here tomorrow. Just like until 10pm last night they promised it would be delivered that day, and it still said ON TIME after it wasn't delivered. LOL
Thanks for the info! I actually did check the Club Wiki page last night with all the links, but I guess in my excitement I overlooked what I wanted. I found them now, I appreciate the guidance.

In anticipation of using the USB, (which I probably won't do since I have a 16-input interface anyway, I'll just use 2 channels for the Pre/Post outs with TRS cables.) I went to download the USB driver for Windows and the page on the Fender website no longer exists unless the links are broken in the manual and on their Support page also. As I said though, using Pro Tools on Windows, it will likely be easier just to use the interface inputs instead of USB. I do like the idea of recording a separate Pre and Post track to play with in the DAW if I feel like it. I would normally do that anyway with a DI box while mic'ing the amp.
I did go through the USB guidance on the Wiki page, but nothing about updating or eliminating the driver for Windows.

 

[G-Dog]

This was a fabulous video and post. I have been playing my bass through my amp sim and out of my 5" monitor speakers and feel that I am missing something and worried about my monitors! So I was trying to decide between the Rumble 25 and the 40 for home practice only. This post was so helpful in picking the 40 AND all of the tips on tone and fundamentals and frequencies was absolutely fascinating. I learned a ton.

Hello, Photo. @Photonic, you are now member #1606 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Put that number in your TalkBass Signature for safe keeping. Then make yourself at home here and on your Rumble Club Wiki page, the repository of all Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

How about telling us a bit about yourself, Photo, such as your bass experience in general and your Rumble journey in particular? We have all kinds here so you'll fit in just fine. But we all love to ... ... ...

Rumble On!
.​

 

[Photonic]

Hello, Photo. @Photonic, you are now member #1606 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Put that number in your TalkBass Signature for safe keeping. Then make yourself at home here and on your Rumble Club Wiki page, the repository of all Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

How about telling us a bit about yourself, Photo, such as your bass experience in general and your Rumble journey in particular? We have all kinds here so you'll fit in just fine. But we all love to ... ... ...

Rumble On!
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Hey thanks for that! Just bought the Rumble 40 just a moment ago from SW. Will be using for home practice in place of going through my 5" monitor speakers and amp sim which I love for guitar. I play an Ibanez TMB30 short scale bass which is just now getting a setup with GHS Pressurewound strings. That and the new amp should be a whole lotta fun! I used to have a Rumble 100 a while back but sold it because in my house it was CRUSHINGLY load and overwhelmed my practice room. This should be much better!

 

[GonePlaid]

Most joints in my town have awesome in house gear. So most people are coming with simply a 200-500w combo or 2 tens and a head and that's plenty. I think gone are the days of lugging serious baggage around....
I could see 4x10s or maybe adding a 2x10 to the 500c being beneficial for some outdoor gigs, maybe. I guess it just depends on what's already prepped on stage. ‍

Dunno where you are, but around here(SE FL)no place has any house gear-including PA.

 

[Giffro]

Hey there GP..hi everyone..thanks for the best wishes regarding my eyesight re. cataracts. I've changed my Windows settings and able to read text a heap better now, which helps a great deal when reading smaller posts here on TB, so hopefully I can participate a lot more till I can get an appt. with an eye specialist and have this darn poor sight of mine fixed.
It has crept upon me insidiously the past 2 years as well..my eyes stream and feel heavy lidded all the time plus the blurry sight is a real pain in the Rumble-seat. Anyway enuf of my issues..sorry I had a forced vacation from TB but now I can read slightly better with my adjusted Windows computer I should be able to throw some Aussie humour your way again.
Thanks to G-Doggy for letting the room know of my problems that have kept me away..and thanks all for the good wishes. If I make any typos at least I wont notice them lolll
Now back to business..yep GP..same here in South Aust..not very many venues here supply PA or house gear..which doesnt bother me or my muso mates anyway..we prefer to lug our own gear around as we like the sound we get from our own equipment anyway. We've been doing it for half a century each so I guess we are used to it lol
Hi kids and GP..nice to be back.
I did find it quite funny a G DOGGY was telling the room about my CATaracts...no fleas on that fella loll