Fender Rumble Club

[G-Dog]

My previous V3 200/150/115 also ... ... ...

To be honest, the V3 200/150/115 combo work pretty well ... ... ...

Fixed it for ya, Yah.

Does this change make new batch R100 sound solid louder than early batch ? Like what @M-Mittlesteadt report on his new R100 combo /

No indication if M-Mittlesteadt got the new batch R100.

doubt it. afaik (not an expert) the orig. r100 circuit's limited by the power (voltage) supplied to the class-d amplifier section. the class-d chip itself is capable of much more, specially mono (bridged). I think this is the one: https://www.nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/TDA8950.pdf
i wonder if it's a repurposed new style 800 amp with a limited power supplied internally and a 4 ohm output. (kind of a permanent 100w swith on)
makes sense from a manufacturing standpoint (more common parts within the product range)
this is the table i'm referring to in the schematics.
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I doubt it, too. It may have the R800 pre-amp and a different power amp requiring a 4 ohm speaker, but no other significant changes mentioned. And the Addendum says, "This will not change the audio performance of the product."

 

[G-Dog]

And here’s a pic of my new R100 with pre/post.

MP, is that Pre/Post button the only outward sign of this "new batch"? Or does it have, I dunno, maybe the 3-D metal logo on the grille, too, or something?

 

[lowplaces]

So if the pre on the direct is selected, we can still send the bass, mids, and treble settings along with the three tone buttons settings to the pa ? In other words everything that's fed to the power amp on the Rumble will be sent to the pa.

And now with that feature the volume nob will not affect the signal to the pa ?

 

[G-Dog]

So if the pre on the direct is selected, we can still send the bass, mids, and treble settings along with the three tone buttons settings to the pa ? In other words everything that's fed to the power amp on the Rumble will be sent to the pa. ... ... ...

No, low, see the Rumble 800 combo's Block Diagram to trace and understand:

• The Pre-EQ signal is taken almost directly from the Instrument Input before any pre-amp settings. This "Pre-" signal is what is most commonly meant by a "direct", from your bass, signal. It is sent to the PA, through the Line Out, only when the switch is in the Pre position.
• The Post-EQ signal is after the pre-amp settings of bass, mids, treble, gain & voicing buttons, and is what's always fed to the headphone amp, power amp and speaker(s). But it is only sent to the PA, through the Line Out, when the switch is set to the Post position.

... ... And now with that feature the volume nob will not affect the signal to the pa ?

Correct, low, again see on the Block Diagram that the signal splits off to the Line Out before going through the Master (volume) control. Therefore, the Master does not affect the signal to the PA through the Line Out.

 

[lowplaces]

Therefore, the Master does not affect the signal to the PA through the Line Out.

Ok, to be sure I understand, with the pre setting the master volume doesn't affect the signal to the pa, but what if post is selected ? Will the master volume knob affect the signal to the pa ?

 

[G-Dog]

Ok, to be sure I understand, with the pre setting the master volume doesn't affect the signal to the pa, but what if post is selected ? Will the master volume knob affect the signal to the pa ?

Per the R800c Block Diagram, the Master (volume) control on the "New Batch" R100, just like on the R800c itself, never affects the signal through the Line Out to the PA, regardless of the Pre/Post switch setting.

Have you actually experienced problems with the Master (volume) affecting the signal level from the Line Out to the PA, low? See your Rumble Club Wiki page where lotsa Rumblers have testified that it's really no problem. It's really just like putting a mic in front of a speaker. But, apparently, enough potential customers think the idea is problematic, so newer models have done away with it.

 

[lowplaces]

Ok thanks G-Dog. I've seen members ask if an amp's direct out is post or pre in the context of causing issues for a soundman if the player makes adjustments to his/her amp during the performance. I assumed they meant master volume adjustments.

 

[lowplaces]

Have you actually experienced problems with the Master (volume) affecting the signal level from the Line Out to the PA, low?

You were editing while I replied to your post. But no, I've never used a line out to a PA.

 

[G-Dog]

Ok thanks G-Dog. I've seen members ask if an amp's direct out is post or pre in the context of causing issues for a soundman if the player makes adjustments to his/her amp during the performance. I assumed they meant master volume adjustments.

Yes, some newbie bassists don't have enough experience or self-respect to stand up to "the soundman" making demands in the name of "a good mix". Volume is one of those things. Tone is another. And that's a pet peeve of mine. Some soundmen, apparently, insist on getting a bassist's Pre signal so that they can craft the tone they think is appropriate. Yet, they wouldn't dare insist on the same from from a lead guitarist! So, why is the tone that I have meticulously crafted for my performance any less deserving of the same respect?

 

[GonePlaid]

Yes, some newbie bassists don't have enough experience or self-respect to stand up to "the soundman" making demands in the name of "a good mix". Volume is one of those things. Tone is another. And that's a pet peeve of mine. Some soundmen, apparently, insist on getting a bassist's Pre signal so that they can craft the tone they think is appropriate. Yet, they wouldn't dare insist on the same from from a lead guitarist! So, why is the tone that I have meticulously crafted for my performance any less deserving of the same respect?

The last 2 times our group had sound men(2015), they wanted me to go through a DI box. Nope. You'll take a signal offa the back of "The Mighty Kasino", or-second time-the Kustom 150-6.

 

[John D Harris]

Yes, some newbie bassists don't have enough experience or self-respect to stand up to "the soundman" making demands in the name of "a good mix". Volume is one of those things. Tone is another. And that's a pet peeve of mine. Some soundmen, apparently, insist on getting a bassist's Pre signal so that they can craft the tone they think is appropriate. Yet, they wouldn't dare insist on the same from from a lead guitarist! So, why is the tone that I have meticulously crafted for my performance any less deserving of the same respect?

Yes.
This is another reason that I like active basses - I like a clean, solid, punchy tone - I used bass amps and cabs that have no real flavor of their own.
So either way (& I absolutely prefer post-EQ), the soundperson gets the tone that I send them!

 

[PatTheDog]

I'm enjoying my Rumble, but haven't found a use for the overdrive. For me it's way too much, even on the minimum drive setting. Has anyone tips on how to dial it so it's just adding a bit of saturation and harmonics rather than fuzz? I'm handy with a soldering iron and not adverse to opening it up.

Something like this is what I'm aiming for:

 

[SharpCat]

Aren’t we all.

A big part of that sound is the bass used.

On the Rumble, I’d probably start with the vintage setting on.

 

[M-Mittlesteadt]

No indication if M-Mittlesteadt got the new batch R100.

Yes, mine is brand new. It is the latest Rumble 100 (V3).

 

[M-Mittlesteadt]

I've owned an awful lot of amps and cabs over the many years. I used to design my own cabs even. Even though I've have had higher powered amps with great tonal options, like Genz Benz heads, etc. along with various cabs that had neodymium speakers, I am literally blown away by the tone, volume and light weight of my Fender Rumble 100.

Fender really designed a great amp, speaker and cab combo. It is exactly everything I wanted in a new rig. I have no need to get super loud any longer, but the volume even the 100 puts out is more than I need. Any gig I need more volume than the Rumble 100 puts out is a band/gig I don't want to play in anymore.

 

[richwag]

Your use of the words "fade out" makes me think it's not a jack problem - there are either electrons flowing or not - i.e. abrupt on / off.

"Fade out" / "fade in", sounds like a problem with some other part of the amp.

That makes sense. I think figuring this out is beyond my abilities and will have to go into a tech.

I've seen others have the same issue, but maybe it's earlier amps.

Thanks.

 

[Brandon Shea]

I'm enjoying my Rumble, but haven't found a use for the overdrive. For me it's way too much, even on the minimum drive setting. Has anyone tips on how to dial it so it's just adding a bit of saturation and harmonics rather than fuzz? I'm handy with a soldering iron and not adverse to opening it up.

Something like this is what I'm aiming for:

Start with the "flat" setting with vintage turned on, and crank up the gain pretty high. The vintage voicing will give you a really warm and almost fuzzy sound if you push it hard enough. I think it sounds amazing in a mix.

To me, the Rumble OD is a separate sound that fits better in a rock mix with guitars (especially distorted). You might have some luck combining vintage + OD turned all the way down, but personally I always go back to the plain vintage setting if I'm feeling inspired by Jamerson. That'll probably be my first order of business once I'm done with work today, now that I'm thinking about it!

 

[G-Dog]

No indication if M-Mittlesteadt got the new batch R100.

Yes, mine is brand new. It is the latest Rumble 100 (V3).

The V3 R100 combo model is over 10 years old now. But that "original batch", which is still being produced, does not have the Pre/Post button by the XLR Out.

Only some of the current V3 R100 combos, the "new batch" made in the last 2 years, have the Pre/Post button by the XLR Out.

So, which one do you have?

I've owned an awful lot of amps and cabs over the many years. I used to design my own cabs even. ... ... I am literally blown away by the tone, volume and light weight of my Fender Rumble 100.

Fender really designed a great amp, speaker and cab combo. It is exactly everything I wanted in a new rig. I have no need to get super loud any longer, but the volume even the 100 puts out is more than I need. Any gig I need more volume than the Rumble 100 puts out is a band/gig I don't want to play in anymore.

Yeah, Mitty, Fender has really hit multiple home runs with the V3 Rumble line these last 10 years, with additional V3 models, the Stage & Studio, the R800 HD head, and the R800 combo, introduced over the last few years!

Glad to have you join us

 

[Ottertail]

Concurrent manufacture of slightly different specs suggests more than one factory. My V3 R100 with no bonus switch is from Indonesia.

 

[G-Dog]

I'm enjoying my Rumble, but haven't found a use for the overdrive. For me it's way too much, even on the minimum drive setting. Has anyone tips on how to dial it so it's just adding a bit of saturation and harmonics rather than fuzz? I'm handy with a soldering iron and not adverse to opening it up.

Something like this is what I'm aiming for:

Howdy, Pat! @PatTheDog, you are now member #1789 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Put that number in your TalkBass Signature for safe keeping. Then make yourself at home here and on your Rumble Club Wiki page, the repository of all Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

So, which Rumble model do you have? If it's the 100 combo, does it have a Pre/Post button by the XLR Out? If so, that indicates it is one of the special (newly discovered) "new batch", of R100 combos only, made in the past two years.

Anyway, how about telling us a bit about yourself, Pat, such as your bass experience in general and your Rumble journey in particular? You'll fit right in here since we have all kinds. But we all love to ... ... ...

Rumble On!
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