Fender Rumble Club

[squidtastic]

Hi Rumblers, does anyone know where/how to get a gig bag for a Rumble 500 v3 head? The pouch zipper broke on mine, and googling, searching the fender site, and searching this forum is getting me nowhere. I found a couple of very old Reverb ads, but those were sold ages ago.

I've started looking for any bag with similar dimensions but would love to get the original bag so the head fits well.

 

[toughluck]

Fender covers are basic and mass produced. Aftermarket covers are custom or small runs, with more options and often better protection.

Yeah, I know. I understand where the price difference comes from. But all I need right now is a basic dust cover which is why a clear plastic bag works great for that. Maybe if I gigged a lot and needed a sturdy cover, I'd have a very different outlook, but the total cost is something I can't justify.

 

[dORSY]

Yeah, I know. I understand where the price difference comes from. But all I need right now is a basic dust cover which is why a clear plastic bag works great for that. Maybe if I gigged a lot and needed a sturdy cover, I'd have a very different outlook, but the total cost is something I can't justify.

if it does the job, it's not stupid, right?

 

[G-Dog]

Hi Rumblers, does anyone know where/how to get a gig bag for a Rumble 500 v3 head? The pouch zipper broke on mine, and googling, searching the fender site, and searching this forum is getting me nowhere. I found a couple of very old Reverb ads, but those were sold ages ago.

I've started looking for any bag with similar dimensions but would love to get the original bag so the head fits well.

I heard of 7ender Customer Service sending one to a user whose zipper broke back before they were discontinued. I wouldn't expect that now.

Perhaps the zipper could be replaced by the right sewing shop? Worth a call to some of them to find out.

 

[John D Harris]

Most speaker drivers are designed to handle some abuse, just maybe not Thelma & Louise level!

 

[Miles_ONeal]

Hi Rumblers, does anyone know where/how to get a gig bag for a Rumble 500 v3 head? The pouch zipper broke on mine, and googling, searching the fender site, and searching this forum is getting me nowhere. I found a couple of very old Reverb ads, but those were sold ages ago.

I've started looking for any bag with similar dimensions but would love to get the original bag so the head fits well.

A luggage repair shop might be able to fix that.

 

[Miles_ONeal]

Yeah, I know. I understand where the price difference comes from. But all I need right now is a basic dust cover which is why a clear plastic bag works great for that. Maybe if I gigged a lot and needed a sturdy cover, I'd have a very different outlook, but the total cost is something I can't justify.

I understood that. I was only addressing your last sentence: "Funny how the Fender-branded dust covers are about a sixth of the price of off-brand covers."

 

[toughluck]

I understood that. I was only addressing your last sentence: "Funny how the Fender-branded dust covers are about a sixth of the price of off-brand covers."

Oh, I know. I think I was completely unclear what I meant. Normally, manufacturer branded accessories cost as much as off-brand accessories that offer much higher quality and the only difference is the logo. The off-brand covers are more befitting of the Fender logo than the basic covers that they sell, which are actually very affordable.

And that brings me to the second part of this: I just don't get Fender's product strategy here. If you gig a lot, you'll be far more likely to own the larger, higher power, more expensive, gear that will take much more beating and you need a more substantial cover than what they sell. The kind they sell would actually go well with the lowest power Rumbles.

That's just my ¢2.

 

[squidtastic]

Perhaps the zipper could be replaced by the right sewing shop?

Had a feeling that'd be too difficult, but I guess it's worth a shot. Thanks!

 

[Miles_ONeal]

Oh, I know. I think I was completely unclear what I meant. Normally, manufacturer branded accessories cost as much as off-brand accessories that offer much higher quality and the only difference is the logo. The off-brand covers are more befitting of the Fender logo than the basic covers that they sell, which are actually very affordable.

And that brings me to the second part of this: I just don't get Fender's product strategy here. If you gig a lot, you'll be far more likely to own the larger, higher power, more expensive, gear that will take much more beating and you need a more substantial cover than what they sell. The kind they sell would actually go well with the lowest power Rumbles.

That's just my ¢2.

Agreed!

 

[pyrat56host]

Question for the "Rumblers"...it appears the 800 V3 can be run @2.67 ohms...is this accurate?

 

[Miles_ONeal]

Question for the "Rumblers"...it appears the 800 V3 can be run @2.67 ohms...is this accurate?

It appears from what's on the back of the cab by the external speaker jack and switch that yes, you can add an external 4 ohm cab for a total of 2.67 ohms. Just make sure you set the switch to 4 ohms.

 

[G-Dog]

... ... I just don't get Fender's product strategy here. If you gig a lot, you'll be far more likely to own the larger, higher power, more expensive, gear that will take much more beating and you need a more substantial cover than what they sell. The kind they sell would actually go well with the lowest power Rumbles.

That's just my ¢2.

I don't think the number of gigs correlate so easily, toughie, to the power needed. For the past several years I've had a lot more gigs with my Studio 40 than my 500. I've gotten excellent wear from my 7ender dust covers on even my biggest (Bassman 500 w/115) and heaviest (Deluxe 90, Cyber-Deluxe, Acoustasonic 150, Bassman 150, & 250) amps.

Also, just my 2¢.

 

[G-Dog]

Question for the "Rumblers"...it appears the 800 V3 can be run @2.67 ohms...is this accurate?

It appears from what's on the back of the cab by the external speaker jack and switch that yes, you can add an external 4 ohm cab for a total of 2.67 ohms. Just make sure you set the switch to 4 ohms.

Yes, that's totally accurate. The Impedance switch and it's lettering refers only to the extension cab(s) used.

From the Rumble 800 manual:

Two 8 ohm cabs or a single 4 ohm cab are fine, as long as they can handle the wattage, which is actually rounded down from 533W in the case of the 4 ohm for simplicity. Counting the 8 ohm internal cab, with two 8 ohm extension cabs, each can receive up to ~267 watts. 3 X 267 watts ~ 800 watts. OR the 8 ohm internal with a single 4 ohm external cab gives up to 267 watts to the 8 ohm internal and up to 533 watts (2 X 267 watts) to the 4 ohm external cab. 8 ohm + 8 ohm + 8 ohm = 2.67 ohms.

 

[toughluck]

I don't think the number of gigs correlate so easily, toughie, to the power needed. For the past several years I've had a lot more gigs with my Studio 40 than my 500. I've gotten excellent wear from my 7ender dust covers on even my biggest (Bassman 500 w/115) and heaviest (Deluxe 90, Cyber-Deluxe, Acoustasonic 150, Bassman 150, & 250) amps.

Also, just my 2¢.

Fair point. In addition to the extra power (that may never be necessary, but better for it to be there when needed), I thought the bigger Rumbles were also built to a higher standard and better stand up to the rough handling.

I still don't get Fender's product strategy. I imagine the lower-power Rumbles sell in much higher numbers than the big ones and Fender could make more money selling covers for them. At least that's what I would do if I was a product manager for them.

Oddly enough, it's the opposite case for guitar amplifiers. Almost all low to midrange amps have dedicated dust covers while some highest power ones don't.

 

[G-Dog]

Fair point. In addition to the extra power (that may never be necessary, but better for it to be there when needed), I thought the bigger Rumbles were also built to a higher standard and better stand up to the rough handling. ... ... ...

Appears to me that the "large" Rumbles (still quite small compared to more traditional bass combos and cabs) are built to the same standard as the smaller Rumbles. This actually seems to make the smaller ones, with shorter side spans, more sturdy. I can't recall hearing of any cabinet vibrations in the smaller ones like the occasional used bigger ones have.​

... ... ... I still don't get Fender's product strategy. I imagine the lower-power Rumbles sell in much higher numbers than the big ones and Fender could make more money selling covers for them. At least that's what I would do if I was a product manager for them. ... ... ...

I agree that more beginners and practice needs probably do sell more smaller Rumbles than big ones. But, it appears there may be a very thin margin on the covers they do make & sell, which may not be sustainable in the smaller sizes. And/or they don't think they'll sell as many covers to beginners and/or practicers.​

... ... ... Oddly enough, it's the opposite case for guitar amplifiers. Almost all low to midrange amps have dedicated dust covers while some highest power ones don't.

I'm not seeing that on the Invalid Link Removed. Guitar combos usually require less power, smaller speakers and allow open speaker backs, compared to bass combos, making most of them smaller by comparison. But, it seems they make covers for only the more powerful guitar combos (though still not as big as bigger Rumbles), AFAICS.​

 

[G-Dog]

Question for the "Rumblers"...it appears the 800 V3 can be run @2.67 ohms...is this accurate?

Py, are you asking about the Rumble V3 Stage 800 modeling combo, the Rumble V3 800 combo or the Rumble V3 800 HD head? Both combos can do 2.67 ohms, as discussed above. But the head can do 2.0 ohms!!

Do you have a Rumble, or considering getting one?

 

[Miles_ONeal]

Appears to me that the "large" Rumbles (still quite small compared to more traditional bass combos and cabs) are built to the same standard as the smaller Rumbles. This actually seems to make the smaller ones, with shorter side spans, more sturdy. I can't recall hearing of any cabinet vibrations in the smaller ones like the occasional used bigger ones have.​

I agree that more beginners and practice needs probably do sell more smaller Rumbles than big ones. But, it appears there may be a very thin margin on the covers they do make & sell, which may not be sustainable in the smaller sizes. And/or they don't think they'll sell as many covers to beginners and/or practicers.​

I'm not seeing that on the Invalid Link Removed. Guitar combos usually require less power, smaller speakers and allow open speaker backs, compared to bass combos, making most of them smaller by comparison. But, it seems they make covers for only the more powerful guitar combos (though still not as big as bigger Rumbles), AFAICS.​

Mostly, but you can get an inexpensive Fender cover for your Twin Reverb or Super Reverb - neither of which is tiny or lightweight.

 

[Miles_ONeal]

Py, are you asking about the Rumble V3 Stage 800 modeling combo, the Rumble V3 800 combo or the Rumble V3 800 HD head? Both combos can do 2.67 ohms, as discussed above. But the head can do 2.0 ohms!!

Do you have a Rumble, or considering getting one?

I'm assuming the combos could do 2 ohms just fine if they had the same output jack setup as the head. Same guts, right?

 

[G-Dog]

I'm assuming the combos could do 2 ohms just fine if they had the same output jack setup as the head. Same guts, right?

No, I don't think so, not for any useful length of time. It would take a heck of a lot more than just another output jack to make the 800 combos stable at 2.0 ohms! The combos do NOT have all the same guts as the 800 head. Maybe the same pre-amps (except the Stage), but definitely not the same power amps and outputs.

I can't find it right now but, I once read agedhorse list several differences, all requiring very high quality components, that are involved between 2.67 ohm and stable 2.0 ohm amps. The only one I could think of was heat management, but he said that was way down the list. There's a reason why the 800 combo costs only $100 more than the 800 head. You don't get two neo speakers and a tuned cab for just $100. There's probably at least another couple hundred to get the head's stable 2.0 ohm power. Like even just the Impedance switches are different; both go from 8/4 ohm total, but one goes to 2.67 and the other goes to 2.0! Apparently it's a much bigger difference than the numbers make it look.