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Fender Rumble Club

Augyegh!!?! OMG! I'm very sorry, WI. I'm certainly not the infallible dispenser of knowledge I pretend to be!! :sorry: I do hereby most humbly apologize for giving you some wong information back then. The small, parenthetical numbers should have been (actually 10, 1:30, 2, 9:30). That's why I often try to link referenced sources, like this, so you don't just take my (possibly mentally deficient) recollection for absolute troof! 😵




Aha! Contributory Negligence! Your Honor, I plead "Contributory Negligence"! I'm not the only one making a mistake here. 🫣 See? It can happen to anybody, at anytime. [Stuff] just happens. :poop:



Yes, sir that's "the smoking gun" where you responded to my erroneous post of a few days prior. :sorry:
Hey! But, wait!! Did you just now make that mistake on the hi-mid setting today in a well intentioned effort to make this old f:spit:rt feel a little less feeble? Well, thanks. I'll take it! (You sly dog.) 😉



Understandable. What about different settings on the hi-mid, do they make much difference? ... in an acceptable way, that is ...​
Also, have you tried it with absolutely no pedals to zero in on the combo and none of the pedals, or cables​
First, I have to say..............:laugh::D:laugh:

We all make mistakes. And when you asked "where" I had to scour through a long list of my postings to find that post. At that point I had to know if I really had heard it here or if you caught me mis-remembering.

To answer your question I tried a cable straight to the amp eliminating the tuner and all but no difference. The only difference in the signal chain is which DI I'm using, the DI box or the DI out on the amp.

Yes, I've played with hi mid, basically everything. If I turn the hi mid and treble to zero, still there. And EQ'ing on the board leaves me with a pretty muddy tone I'm not fond of. I have a workaround in place so it's not the end of the world. I added the EQ pedal to make the signal from the DI box better and that helped.
 
No, tl, I don't personally know anything about their voicings.

I initially thought the 2003-ish Bassman 210 Pro might perhaps have Neodymium magnets, and possibly a correspondingly brighter-ish tone*, but that linked manual doesn't say that. Anyway, at 61 lb.s it wouldn't be my first choice for lugging around!

The 2010-2014 Rumble V2 112 does have Neodymium magnets and, I've read several places, does have a very good sounding Fender classic tone, not necessarily neo-brighter-ish*. I can't say I've read specifically about using it with V3 cabs, but I'd expect they would play well together. I did lift one up in a store once long ago and was surprised at how slightly heavy it seemed for a neo!

* Referring to reports of the Rumble 800 Neo speakers being brighter than the Rumble 500 ceramic ferrite speakers.
It's obviously a moot point if not a single one is available, but I'll keep a lookout in case something does turn up. I don't really have my hopes up, though, after all, Fender did discontinue the 112 V3 cab, apparently due to poor sales.
 
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It's obviously a moot point if not a single one is available, but I'll keep a lookout in case something does turn up. I don't really have my hopes up, though, after all, Fender did discontinue the 112 V3 cab, apparently due to poor sales.
I had one[112v3], but sold it a few years ago 'cos I wasn't using it. Sounded great but sat under my dining room table for ~a year.
 
No, based on info I got here the "flat" setting is around 1 oclock for hi mid and treble. The treble is around 1 and the hi mid is maybe 11 oclock.

I thought of the wiring too, seemed obvious. But like I said, all things being equal, taking the DI out from the amp and moving it to DI box, and the amp input to the DI box clears it up. Been playing it that way for a long time. And since I use that amp at home I don't hear any hiss out of it at home on it's own.

It's a mysterious gremlin. I can get rid of it by turning the board EQ down to almost zero on the channel, but that affects the sound greatly.

I wouldn't mind the DI box but it's a little "sterile" for my taste in the mains. I know I could mic it but prefer not to do that.
The preamp is noisy in my rumble 100 too. The only way to get rid of it is to plug a different preamp into the FX return.

I'm going to sell the amp, too noisy for me, even with everything turned down to zero and nothing plugged into it at all, there's a constant high noise floor from the preamp. Different outlets/circuits/buildings all have the same result. I thought it was my bass at first, but it's the preamp section of the Rumble.

Some people might not be able to hear it, maybe?
 
The preamp is noisy in my rumble 100 too. The only way to get rid of it is to plug a different preamp into the FX return.

I'm going to sell the amp, too noisy for me, even with everything turned down to zero and nothing plugged into it at all, there's a constant high noise floor from the preamp. Different outlets/circuits/buildings all have the same result. I thought it was my bass at first, but it's the preamp section of the Rumble.

Some people might not be able to hear it, maybe?
You might be right that other folks don't/can't hear it.

It's not there when practicing at home, even if I turn it up louder than normal for home use. I thought it was the DI out of the amp but trying that 2nd one and getting the same thing disproved that. And before I had the Rumble 100, I had a Rumble 500, same PA, no issues. Changing bands meant I didn't need the volume of the 500 anymore.

I was never happy with the master volume affecting gain to the board anyway, so the DI box helps with that too.

It's been reliable in every other way, it's light and portable, and affordable so it isn't going anywhere. I found a solution for now, I'm admittedly cheap, and unsure of how long I want to continue playing at this point, all reasons to work with it.
 
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I haven't noticed any noise from either of my Rumble amps, neither the 500 nor the 40. Of course, just because I haven't noticed any noise, doesn't mean there's none there. I haven't really been listening for it; I haven't noticed any. I'll add I have significant tinnitus from years of loud music made worse from my stint of chemo in 2018.
 
Qwexxion #1: Do the red pulsing lights in the port of the V1 60 still work? That's one of my favorite parts! SO cool!!

Yes, the red light works but I don't use it. I've only turned it on twice: once shortly after I bought it, when I learned it was there, and more recently when I briefly considered selling the amp. Okay, call me boring. 🤓

Rooooxaaaannne (in my best Eddie Murphy singing voice) You don't have to put on the red light!

Qwexxion #2: What settings do you use on the R60 that the R40 can't match? Sure, the 12" w/60 watts is beefier than the the 10" w/40 watts, and 2½ times heavier, but they are also different EQ circuits! Fender Rumble 60 manual.

The short but incomplete answer to R60/R40 comparison is that the R40 takes significantly more effort than the R60 to get a sound I like, and even then, the I find the R60 more sonically pleasing when practicing in my music room with my basses.

The more informative answer is much longer, and explains how the R40 can still be great.

R40

With the R40, the sound changes significantly depending on where I am in relation to where the speaker is pointed. The "best" sound (the one I like the most) comes when I'm straight across from the front of the amp, with the speaker raised and angled so it's pointing at my head (ears), and with the amp at least a couple of feet away from any wall. I can then dial in a nice tone with a knob starting point of 11 / 1:30 / 2:30 / noon.

However, in raising the amp from the floor and reducing bass enough to eliminate boominess, the low frequencies that give a deep, warm, pleasant-for-quiet-practice part of the tone go away.

Also, if I move off-axis from the speaker (to the left or right or standing with it by my feet, with my ears above the amp), there's significant unpleasant boominess. If I try to tame that with the bass & low bass knobs, if I then walk back in front of the amp, it sounds thin. So I keep the amp away from me and pointed at me.

I've also found that I need to tweak the tone knobs depending on which bass/strings I'm using. During most practice sessions I'll take turns with different basses, which have different strings (rounds, flats, nylons). With the R40, each will need their own dial settings to sound good to me.

R60

For the past couple of years I've been practicing standing right in front of the R60, with the amp on the floor about 5" from the wall, and it sounds great, with no boominess. I can walk around the room and the sound changes slightly but not significantly. I can also move the amp away from the wall with minimal change in the sound. The tone stays nice regardless. Something about its design just makes it less sensitive in that regard.

More recently I've started playing a bit louder (not loud, just probably now at the volume most people practice with when playing alone) and I adjusted the knobs from all-noon to 11 / 1 / 1:30 / noon, which gives me a lovely sound, retaining the deep pleasant-for-practice part of the tone.

Part of the R60's tone is this nice warm deepness (without unpleasant boom). That, with the clear mids and nice highs, makes it super easy to dial in and then set-and-forget. When I changes basses, I don't need to touch the dials. I just hear the different sound from the different strings, nicely.

BUT

But all of that is for practice, in my quiet music room, with my basses.

When using the R40 away from home, it gets put on a stand usually at least 10' away, facing me. I only bring 1 bass with me, so no re-tweaking. Because there are other instruments and it's not super quiet (like at home), the mids matter most and it cuts through nicely. The warm nice-for-practice deeps aren't as important (and can get lost completely, depending on what other people are playing). And there's plenty of volume available. So I can 100% see how the R40 can be fun and gig-able. And the R40 is super easy to transport!

Side note:
I had an Eden Nemesis 210 that was also boomy in my music room with the knobs flat. But it has a parametric EQ, and I was able to find the "boom" frequency and reduce its level to completely eliminate any boominess, while retaining all of the "good" bass (and the mids and highs, of course). So I suspect if I had an external EQ, I could do the same with the R40.
 
Have any of you Rumblers on the tone quest watched this video linked in the FOREWORD of your Rumble Frequencies Wiki page? If so, what do think of it? Is it helpful, or not?



I watched it shortly after Josh published it. I found it very helpful in the quirky and practical way that his videos almost always are. I was impressed he used both a simple EQ amp and a full 7 band equalizer, to speak to a wide range of bassists.
 
Posted in August 9, 2025: I use this into the fx return of my Rumble 800 combo. On the 800, master volume works as it is supposed to (in my opinion).
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I'm so sorry, Lucky! @LuckyBastard, you are now member #1884 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Please put that number in your TalkBass Signature for safe keeping. Then make yourself at home here and on your Rumble Club Wiki page, the repository of all Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

I most abjectly apologize for overlooking your post of 3 months ago. :sorry: I finally noticed, today your post, of last Saturday, in the Rumble 800 combo sub-thread of The Club and searched you up here! I'm movin' kinda slow 'cause I'm old! Not to mention havin' ol'timer's, I think. But, better late than ... ...uh ... two in the bush, huh? 🤥

And, you're right, the R800c Master volume is downstream of the FX Return so you can always control the combo's level on the combo when using pedals into the FX Return (not true of most of the other Rumble combos).

So, how about telling us a bit about yourself, Lucky, such as your bass experience in general and your Rumble journey in particular? You'll fit right in here since we have all kinds. But we all love to ... ... ...

Rumble On!
 
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Have any of you Rumblers on the tone quest watched this video linked in the FOREWORD of your Rumble Frequencies Wiki page? If so, what do think of it? Is it helpful, or not?


I watched it yesterday and already used it today in rehearsal. In short, the tips really do work.

And it's amazing that they do when they depend so much on your program. ~250 Hz region is the third harmonic of E2, but sixth harmonic of E1, where ~500 Hz region is the sixth harmonic of E2, which means E2 muddy is E1 honky. If you play low registers, fixing honky means you're fixing higher register muddy, but doing nothing to higher register honky.

At least in theory, because as if by magic, it really does work.

But then again, I played it through my BH550 amp head, where TC electronic made a very interesting choice in how the EQ works:
Bass 50 Hz @ Gain -24 to 0 dB; 80 Hz @ Gain 0 to +24 dB (this means if you turn down the bass, you fix the muddiness, but when you turn it up, you add a lot of fullness to the sound), and it works for the other ranges as well:
Low Mids 200 Hz @ Gain -24 to 0 dB; 160 Hz @ Gain 0 to +24 dB
High Mids 630 Hz @ Gain -24 to 0 dB; 800 Hz @ Gain 0 to +24 dB
Treble 1800 Hz @ Gain -24 to 0 dB; 4000 Hz @ Gain 0 to +24 dB
Obviously, Fender rules the market and TC electronic is struggling, so what do I know, but it really does work.

Tomorrow, I'm playing on the Rumble 40 Studio in a much bigger space, and I'm really curious if I can make it work to my advantage.
 
Finally got to RUMBLE at higher volume w/ the band! Wowee what a great rig (Rumble 800c + Rumble 210). So glad I can get fantasic sound(s) and not drag the behemoth rig. I think even the 800c by itself would probably do the job but it's wonderful to have the extra oomph of the full wattage and speakers coverage.
I know what you mean. I have the 500c and 210 extension. It's total overkill for anything my jazz trio plays, but it sure looks cool! We have a very small amount of gear so im just doing my part to provide some visual stimulus!
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... ... got to RUMBLE at higher volume w/ the band! Wowee what a great rig (Rumble 800c + Rumble 210). ... ... I think even the 800c by itself would probably do the job ... ...
... ... have the 500c and 210 extension. It's total overkill ... ...
... ... got done with band practice with the rumble 800 with the 210 extension cabinet and it was great! I did not have to adjust the volume when I was using it as a practice amp ... ...

Oh how I've lusted after the 210 extension for my R500c lo these nearly 12 years (next spring)! But my Bassman 115 Neo does a great job, instead!! It's just a bit bulkier, is all. Plus, I'm old and lazy. And, as all seem to agree, it's so unnecessary. 🙄
 
I think I should join this club, because I just bought my second rumble 100. Two of them stacked is my new rig.

Yeah, you should! @joelb79, you are now member #1885 in the Fender Rumble Club. Congratulations and welcome. Put that number in your TalkBass Signature for safe keeping, then make yourself at home here and on your Rumble Club Wiki page, the repository of all Rumbling wisdom and knowledge.

How about telling us a bit about yourself, joel, such as your bass experience in general and your Rumble journey in particular? You'll fit right in here since we have all kinds. But we all love to ... ... ...

Rumble On!