Fender Rumble Club

[Linnin]

Rockin' jam this afternoon. I'm used to the snickers as I set up my Rumble gear. I just smile. I ended up really having to crank my Rumble 350 to about 2 o'clock. I could tell I was using every bit of it's 350 watts, and I could hear my Eminence Neos begin to protest a bit, so backed off a tad. I haven't played that loud in a long time, and it felt good. Never pushed my Rumble Rig quite that hard before yet I got accolades on my sound/tone.
Fender Rumbles Rule!

 

[Gee Phil]

Hey Linnin I forgot, what Rumble series speakers do you use with the Rumble 350?

 

[Gee Phil]

Oh wait, the Rumble 350 is a V2 combo with 2x10 speaker configuration.

 

[Linnin]

Hey Linnin I forgot, what Rumble series speakers do you use with the Rumble 350?

I run a pair of V2 Rumble 112's with stock Eminence Neos. They are custom tweaked Deltalite II 2512's Speaker Detail | Eminence Speaker

 

[Linnin]

Oh wait, the Rumble 350 is a V2 combo with 2x10 speaker configuration.

Yes, but I am running the Rumble 350 head. The Rumble 350 combo would have acquitted itself almost as well.

 

[Clark Westfield]

Is anybody here running a Rumble 500 head with a 410 cab AND 15" cab?

We had a gig this weekend, and it was really hard to hear myself.

I have a really hard time too in our rehearsal space hearing myself sometimes.

I know it is sacrilegious to run mixed size cabs, but 410's sound great out front, just never good for me onstage.

Anybody else having issues with 410's specificity?

Would a 15" give more presence onstage wile playing on top of it?

Any thoughts?

I love the sound, just having volume issues with myself and 2 guitarists.

 

[rodl2005]

Far better off getting two 15s or 2 410s
Did you have yr 410 on the floor or up closer to yr ears?

 

[Linnin]

Would a 15" give more presence onstage wile playing on top of it?

If you are going to run a 115, be sure to put it on top of the 410. That way you and the band will be able to hear it. If you put it on the bottom no one will really hear it at all, and you will just have an expensive speaker stand for your 410. Just as @rodl2005 said "Far better off getting two 15s or 2 410s".

 

[raul]

soundwise what's the difference betwen 2 15s and 2 410s?

for the record i have the 500 combo, probably goingto get another 210...or get a Rumble 500 head with 2 410s!!!

but, what's the general tone of 2 15s like? like a 500 head with 2 15s compared to a 500 head with 2 410s?

 

[Linnin]

soundwise what's the difference betwen 2 15s and 2 410s?

for the record i have the 500 combo, probably goingto get another 210...or get a Rumble 500 head with 2 410s!!!

but, what's the general tone of 2 15s like? like a 500 head with 2 15s compared to a 500 head with 2 410s?

Good question @raul. You already know what the 500 with 10's sound like, you'll just end up with a lot more of them! The full 2x410 stack is impressive and you'll have no trouble hearing yourself that is for sure. All those 10's will also super magnify the coupling effect at the same time.
As far as the 15's go, you can audition a Rumble 200 combo and get a pretty good feel for them. A pair of Rumble 115's move about the same amount of air as 4x10's, so the SPL with a Rumble 500 head and a pair of Rumble 115's will be about the same as a Rumble 500 combo on top of a Rumble 210 cabinet. Both of those rigs cost the very same $1,000.00

 

[redstrand]

I run my v3 500 210 with an ampeg USA 15, it is so full and just brings the thunder. A 15 and 210's is a super serviceable setup

 

[Linnin]

This is as good a time as any to have some discussion on woofer sizes. Along with the Anti-Mixed Driver Gestapo, there is also a rigorously enforced notion that all a driver size tells you is what size hole to make. How and why such closed mindedness became TalkBass Gospel is beyond me.

All woofers of all sizes are designed differently purposely to sound different! All 10's do not sound the same, and neither do any of the others. Every driver must be approached individually.

I want to use 12" woofers for this example. Some of today's modern designs actually will go lower than most 15's and higher than most 10's. My V2 Rumble 112 Neo contains a custom tweaked Eminence Deltalite II 2512. GK's 112 Neo cabs and Aguilar SL 112 do too! The cabinets are all about the same dimensions. If you listened to the three in a blind test in a studio what differences would you hear? I've not done it, but I'd bet it would be damned little. @honeyiscool went to an Aguilar Tone Hammer 500 and a pair of SL112's. He later changed to a pair of V3 Rumble 112's because he thought they sounded better! Likewise @bdplaid loves his V3 Rumble 112 stack.

Fifteen inch woofers have always been a popular size for bass guitar cabinets with good reason. 15's exhibit a super smooth dispersion of the entire midrange that is difficult to beat. It's very ear pleasing. In the 60's & 70's 15's gave low end grunt that you just couldn't get with 10's or 12's.

As far as 10's vs 15's go it can be said the generally today's 10's will go as low and sometimes lower than most 15's. 10's will typically go up to 4kHz+ while 15's typically go up to 3kHz. You can take a peek at various driver specs here Bass Guitar | Eminence Speaker

You really do have to listen to each woofer individually and not size or by numbers on a spec sheet because cabinet design and tuning always comes into play. We Rumblers are most fortunate in having such great designs in both cabinet and Eminence custom designed ceramic-ferrite driven woofers.
"If it sounds good and feels good, then it IS good!" ~ Duke Ellington

 

[Linnin]

I run my v3 500 210 with an ampeg USA 15, it is so full and just brings the thunder. A 15 and 210's is a super serviceable setup

Many here love the the Rumble 500 combo on top of a Rumble 115 as they move about the same amount of air; have very close driver sensitivity, and any phasing anomalies are either minimal or nonexistent. This is a case where mixed drivers most definitely work. @bdplaid calls his Rumble 500 combo on top of a V3 Rumble 112 "absolute murder".

 

[honeyiscool]

It's true. I think the V3 Rumbles are better than the SL112 cab. They probably don't test any better but I find it easier to get a tone I like. Also I find the form factor easier to handle.

But for the large part I'm against mixing drivers, by the way. I am of the belief that the biggest issue has to do with different drivers having different ways in which they project sound. I did try having a 115 under my 210 Rumble combo and I could never hear both of them at once. The drummer swore he could feel the 115 but I couldn't. I have a feeling that at his distance the 115 contributed more than the 210 to the tone. But the fact remains, I could never find a spot where both cabs contributed to a magical mix of tones. Always just one drowning the other. The 115 became an amp stand. Then I sold it. If I bought another cab for my 210 combo, it's gonna be the matching 210. But I love my 112 stack too much to bother with another stack of amps.

I also play guitar too and lot of people mix guitar drivers, too, and worse because it's in the same cabinet. I never fully understand the practice. First of all, the sound guy is only gonna mic one speaker so the audience only gets half your tone. You're gonna remember within your 10 minute setup that you want the Alnico Blue mic'd and not the G12M? Also, unless the two speakers are fully matched in efficiency, they don't really reinforce each other as much as they compete. I guess it matters less in guitar than bass because guitar amps are more of an art and bass amps are more of a science, but I still like keeping the same speakers matched. Actually I just prefer single driver cabs.

This is merely my experience. There are people who quote science that have come to the same conclusion but I decide with my ears.

 

[Linnin]

Actually I just prefer single driver cabs.

+1111 I'm with you on that.

 

[GregT]

Same reason I really like my 200. One 15, which is my speaker of choice. My Deluxe Reverb has one 12. I also play guitar. I still wonder what it might sound like to get a V3 extension cab to get the full 200 watts out of my amp. Not sure if I would ever need it though.

Most of the things I have learned about second cabs came from this thread and agedhorse. What a wealth of good information and knowledge he brings.

Of course Fender recommends the V3 112 cabinet to be added to the Rumble 200 instead of the 115. I bet they tried it out first before saying that!!!

 

[Linnin]

Of course Fender recommends the V3 112 cabinet to be added to the Rumble 200 instead of the 115. I bet they tried it out first before saying that!!!

Of course they did. The Rumble 112 is the same size footprint as the Rumble 200 & 500 combos. So if size matters, the Rumble 112 is your huckleberry. If matched drivers and coupling effect matters more (and to me it does) then the Rumble 115 is your choice. Either way it's $300. The choice is yours.

 

[honeyiscool]

It's still good to get elevation. Your legs can't hear. That's a good reason to get an extension cabinet.

 

[Linnin]

It's still good to get elevation. Your legs can't hear. That's a good reason to get an extension cabinet.

I put my Rumble 112's on an inexpensive piano bench. This one -> Invalid Link Removed

 

[rjd5974]

Hey all, I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on the 500 combo with the 1x15 extension, but I've heard some concerns about the DI of the amp being behind the volume, and for some folks that makes this amp unusable.

All my gigs have PA support and are medium sized venues with a mixture of indoor and outdoor shows. In the past I've always either gone out through my amp DI, which has always been fixed, or through an EDEN WT DI box. Should I be concerned about the DI on this amp? I know this thread is probably not the place for an unbiased opinion, but I'd like to hear what some others with a similar configuration and gigging situation have experienced. (Sorry..I didn't comb through all 350 plus pages of this thread to look for previous thoughts).

Thanks.