Fender Rumble Club

[Big Hoss]

You need something like this.They have both 1/4 TRS and XLR inputs and it's passive

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I was typing as you were. The Radial stuff is nice, but at this point I am a hobbyist, and rarely occasional sub player. Radial's equipment is well outside of what I am willing to spend.

 

[TitaniumRx]

Now let's play a bit here. I do have a used Eurodesk SX2442FX. That literally has 16 XLR inputs. Now would there be any problem going out of the Rumble, straight up with an XLR cable to the board or would I still need a DI box?

Drop the little board out of the window then and use that excellent Eurodesk you have.This board is exactly what you need and many more.I have use that mixer and is fantastic and cheep also.

In the case of the big board,you must connect the mics in the mic XLR inputs.The Bass and the guitar amps DIs in one mono channel(one with XLR inputs,not the stereo ones) but in the line input below the xlr input.With that way you have the gain control you missing from the other board,clip indicator per channel etc etc.In this case you must take a adapter or a fix cable with female XLR to TRS.

 

[Big Hoss]

@Big Hoss don't you have a trim pad on each channel?

If I do it's not listed in the manual.

Looking at the impedance issue. I am not sure I understand this. The manual for the mixer shows a config with a GMX212 that uses 1/4" TS with an impedance of 1K ohm, and the line inputs on the mixer showing 20k ohm balanced and 10k ohm unbalanced. The GTX60 Audio Output shows line out / phones 1/4" TRS Unbalanced with an impedance of 100 ohms...

I sure wish I could make sense of this...

 

[rjd5974]

After 12 months of regular gigging I still just love my rumble 500 combo and its all I use now.
We also always have our own FOH support and we are the "sound guys" .
I am not anti the rumbles DI and only ever used it once because I forgot my pedal board power supply.
I personally prefer using a separate DI and SVT sim in my pedal board as an out to the desk as this always sends a consistent signal. To me me the benefits doing this in our situation is obvious.
I can take any bass or rig to any gig and dial in a good signal to the desk quickly.
When out front with my wireless the FOH normally always sounds good and better than what I hear on stage,but in saying that I love my rumble to bits as a stage monitor,it pumps like mad,no ext cab required.

Maybe I'm missing something, and I'm admittedly not bright with all the technical sound stuff, but is using an SVT sim sort of defeating the purpose of the Rumble? Won't the FOH and audience be getting mostly the SVT sim sound instead of the Rumble sound? I was thinking along the same lines with using my Eden WT Pro as a DI, but if I'm spending the money to get this great Rumble sound everyone is talking about I was worried I'd getting too much of the sound color of the Eden pre and thus diminishing the Rumble. Again, I'm kind of ignorant about a lot of this stuff...always been a plug and play kinda guy.

 

[Big Hoss]

Drop the little board out of the window then and use that excellent Eurodesk you have.This board is exactly what you need and many more.I have use that mixer and is fantastic and cheep also.

In the case of the big board,you must connect the mics in the mic XLR inputs.The Bass and the guitar amps DIs in one mono channel(one with XLR inputs,not the stereo ones) but in the line input below the xlr input.With that way you have the gain control you missing from the other board,clip indicator per channel etc etc.In this case you must take a adapter or a fix cable with female XLR to TRS.

Don't have the Eurodesk YET... It has been offered... At a pretty decent price tag. (A friend upgraded to that digital I think it is the X32 or something like that...

Okay, let's assume I get the Eurodesk in there. Can I go from the Rumble to the Eurodesk just using an XLR cable and XLR to TRS adapter? Actually I think I have an XLR to TRS cable in my mess of cables somewhere...

Can I go from the GTX60 just using a TRS to TRS cable?

 

[TitaniumRx]

Don't have the Eurodesk YET... It has been offered... At a pretty decent price tag. (A friend upgraded to that digital I think it is the X32 or something like that...

Okay, let's assume I get the Eurodesk in there. Can I go from the Rumble to the Eurodesk just using an XLR cable and XLR to TRS adapter? Actually I think I have an XLR to TRS cable in my mess of cables somewhere...

Can I go from the GTX60 just using a TRS to TRS cable?

Yes,this is the way.

 

[Big Hoss]

Okay I think I have my head around it now...

To make the best of what I have, to get sound into the mixer, and in turn into my computer, and remember I am currently ONLY concerned with a duo, so how about this... Assuming that Behringers own manual for their product is somewhat applicable, they show a live sound setup similar to what I want to do, but with 2 mics... Again I am only concerned with a duo, not a 4 piece band, yet...

Going with their recommendations.
Dynamic mic into XLR channel #1, Phantom power off.
Dynamic mic into XLR channel #2. Phantom power off.
GTX60 line out, TRS to channel #3 TRS. Obviously phantom power off.
Rumble XLR out to XLR channel #4. Phantom power off.
Drum machine output at conservative output levels from 3.5mm TRS to dual 1/4" TS channels 5 and 6.

This is making 2 HUGE assumptions.
#1. The GTX60 and GMX212 line out impedance variation isn't a problem. I will get with Behringer to glean their recommendations.
#2. The Rumble XLR out works more or less the way the BX4500H shown in the manual does. I suspect it does.

I am basing this on Page 10 of the XENYX 1002FX / 1202FX owners manual (EN).

This configuration would put both amps on the channels with the gain controls, plus give me 2 usable mic inputs. This would in theory give me a usable "Coffee House Duo" board configuration.

I know the Eurodesk is a MUCH better, more fully featured board, sadly my budget isn't up to snagging it quite yet, the guy that owns it is in no hurry to sell it yet.

 

[CS88]

Hi All,

Question for the rumble club (with a little background first):

I'm not a member of the Rumble Club yet, but considering becoming one soon I've been eyeballing the Fender Rumble 500w 2x10 combo for a little bit.

The backstory:

I have a large hartke 4x10 cabinet and a couple of Amp heads, and I also have a Hartke A100 1x15 100w combo that I use for practicing solo at home, with the band in a small rehearsal room, and potentially small bars (I haven't gigged the A100 yet) currently.

I like Hartke products a lot, however I'm starting to realize and accept the fact that I really just prefer the sound I get out of 10 inch speakers; I don't really care for the sound of 15s much at all. The caveat is that it is a real pain in the rear to lug my 4x10 cab and amp head all the time.

This is how my "desire for a new combo" started. Yes, I have one, I just don't really like it because of the whole 15 inch speaker thing. So, I started thinking "I wonder what combos are out there that have 10s, instead of 15s." I did a little sniffing around the lower wattage range really for a practice/rehearsal combo (as I have my full rig for gigs), but my research led me to discover the rumble 500w combo.

So I got to thinking...

I'm 27 years old but I'm already starting to feel the effects of carrying around heavy equipment and I figure its better earlier than later to get conscious about ways to not break my back, lol. My hartke cab is pretty damn heavy and the amp head can be too, depending on which head I use.

When I read that the rumble was 36 lbs, I was blown away.

Obviously, the power of this combo amp is a lot more capable than "just practice" or small room rehearsals with the band. So I started getting the idea in my head that maybe this could be a "full solution" for me.

I play in two bands currently, a classic rock type band that plays all of our tunes half step down from the originals, and I also play in an alternative/some classics cover band.

Our aspirations are mainly the small to medium bar and medium size club scene. I don't really envision that it will get anything greater than that, and if it does, I suppose it would be nice to have something that could handle such (medium large to large type clubs) without needing to upgrade and rebuild a rig from the ground up.... Does the rumble 500w pack enough power out of the box to rock a small to medium sized bar gigs and medium to potentially medium-large sized club gigs? Maybe the medium to medium-large club gigs would be in need of the extension cab?

It would fantastic to have one combo that could do it all for me in the practical context of what I aim and aspire to do. I'm not a bells and whistles type player.. I don't use effects pedals at all really (haven't had the desire to in nearly 10 years playing..never touched em!) and from time to time if I'm doing a gig that has a house PA I'll DI.... but other than that I'm just a guy who shows up with his bass, a tuner, and amp gear ready to go.

The rumble 500w 2x10 combo seems to be something that might be a solution for what I'm seeking. Can anybody here offer any insight?

Thanks!

 

[Linnin]

The rumble 500w 2x10 combo seems to be something that might be a solution for what I'm seeking. Can anybody here offer any insight?

The Fender Rumble 500 combo is everything you're looking for and more. There are a slew of positive gig reports throughout this thread. Don't hesitate to pull the trigger on one.

 

[TitaniumRx]

Okay I think I have my head around it now...

To make the best of what I have, to get sound into the mixer, and in turn into my computer, and remember I am currently ONLY concerned with a duo, so how about this... Assuming that Behringers own manual for their product is somewhat applicable, they show a live sound setup similar to what I want to do, but with 2 mics... Again I am only concerned with a duo, not a 4 piece band, yet...

Going with their recommendations.
Dynamic mic into XLR channel #1, Phantom power off.
Dynamic mic into XLR channel #2. Phantom power off.
GTX60 line out, TRS to channel #3 TRS. Obviously phantom power off.
Rumble XLR out to XLR channel #4. Phantom power off.
Drum machine output at conservative output levels from 3.5mm TRS to dual 1/4" TS channels 5 and 6.

This is making 2 HUGE assumptions.
#1. The GTX60 and GMX212 line out impedance variation isn't a problem. I will get with Behringer to glean their recommendations.
#2. The Rumble XLR out works more or less the way the BX4500H shown in the manual does. I suspect it does.

I am basing this on Page 10 of the XENYX 1002FX / 1202FX owners manual (EN).

This configuration would put both amps on the channels with the gain controls, plus give me 2 usable mic inputs. This would in theory give me a usable "Coffee House Duo" board configuration.

I know the Eurodesk is a MUCH better, more fully featured board, sadly my budget isn't up to snagging it quite yet, the guy that owns it is in no hurry to sell it yet.

All you need is a board with 2 more channels with gain control only.And you are ok.
For the Duo case your board is ok.In this case you must use only the gainable channels for two mics and 1 for bass and 1 guitar.

 

[Big Hoss]

All you need is a board with 2 more channels with gain control only.And you are ok.
For the Duo case your board is ok.In this case you must use only the gainable channels for two mics and 1 for bass and 1 guitar.

For the GTX Guitar amp, it has stereo line out. Do I use a TRS to TRS cable or should I use TRS to XLR?

 

[Clark Westfield]

Far better off getting two 15s or 2 410s
Did you have yr 410 on the floor or up closer to yr ears?

I had it on the floor casters.

I then noticed a nice On Stage amp stand hidden in my buddy's basement.

I claimed it for my 410 and it made a huge change in sound for me.

Exactly what needed to be done 6 months ago.

Cost------nothing.

Sound improvement------absolutely!

 

[pinz]

Maybe I'm missing something, and I'm admittedly not bright with all the technical sound stuff, but is using an SVT sim sort of defeating the purpose of the Rumble? Won't the FOH and audience be getting mostly the SVT sim sound instead of the Rumble sound? I was thinking along the same lines with using my Eden WT Pro as a DI, but if I'm spending the money to get this great Rumble sound everyone is talking about I was worried I'd getting too much of the sound color of the Eden pre and thus diminishing the Rumble. Again, I'm kind of ignorant about a lot of this stuff...always been a plug and play kinda guy.

I have used the DI and SVT sim long before I got the Rumble and was using Genz Shuttle 9 and matching 4x10 as stage monitor.
The only reason I went for the 500 combo was purely to downsize as the genz rig was heavy and overkill at most gigs.
I read nothing but goodness about the Rumbles here and based my decision solely on that and even so the Rumble blew out all expectations and became my main rig.

I see the rumble as nothing but a "stage monitor" and a very good one for size and weight.
The DI and SVT sim is my "FOH sound" I have used for a few years now and dig what I hear in FOH and saw no reason to change upon getting the Rumble. Others too have commented on a great FOH sound.
I see no reason to change a good thing that works well for me personally.

Hope that explains my own situation a bit more clearly.

 

[GregT]

I have used the DI and SVT sim long before I got the Rumble and was using Genz Shuttle 9 and matching 4x10 as stage monitor.
The only reason I went for the 500 combo was purely to downsize as the genz rig was heavy and overkill at most gigs.
I read nothing but goodness about the Rumbles here and based my decision solely on that and even so the Rumble blew out all expectations and became my main rig.

I see the rumble as nothing but a "stage monitor" and a very good one for size and weight.
The DI and SVT sim is my "FOH sound" I have used for a few years now and dig what I hear in FOH and saw no reason to change upon getting the Rumble. Others too have commented on a great FOH sound.
I see no reason to change a good thing that works well for me personally.

Hope that explains my own situation a bit more clearly.

We don't mind how you use your Rumble. Just glad it is a Fender and not an _____!!!! Thanks for sharing!!

 

[Aidil]

Yes, when you turn up your amp, the DI also turns up. Then the soundman does his job if he is listening. It wouldn't be a problem unless you are constantly changing your volume on stage. I have used the DI to a very large PA at an outdoor event. It was perfect. Amazed how good it sounded. That is my totally biased opinion, by the way. I love my Rumbles! My Rumble 200 filled acres thanks to the DI. I have never heard anyone say the DI is unusable; at least not anyone who had actually used it themselves. I'm sure most everyone who has tried it thought it worked great!

How about the Rumble 200/500 Head (V3)?
Does its XLR lineout act the same way as the combo?

 

[Honch]

Hi All,

Question for the rumble club (with a little background first):

I'm not a member of the Rumble Club yet, but considering becoming one soon I've been eyeballing the Fender Rumble 500w 2x10 combo for a little bit.

The backstory:

I have a large hartke 4x10 cabinet and a couple of Amp heads, and I also have a Hartke A100 1x15 100w combo that I use for practicing solo at home, with the band in a small rehearsal room, and potentially small bars (I haven't gigged the A100 yet) currently.

I like Hartke products a lot, however I'm starting to realize and accept the fact that I really just prefer the sound I get out of 10 inch speakers; I don't really care for the sound of 15s much at all. The caveat is that it is a real pain in the rear to lug my 4x10 cab and amp head all the time.

This is how my "desire for a new combo" started. Yes, I have one, I just don't really like it because of the whole 15 inch speaker thing. So, I started thinking "I wonder what combos are out there that have 10s, instead of 15s." I did a little sniffing around the lower wattage range really for a practice/rehearsal combo (as I have my full rig for gigs), but my research led me to discover the rumble 500w combo.

So I got to thinking...

I'm 27 years old but I'm already starting to feel the effects of carrying around heavy equipment and I figure its better earlier than later to get conscious about ways to not break my back, lol. My hartke cab is pretty damn heavy and the amp head can be too, depending on which head I use.

When I read that the rumble was 36 lbs, I was blown away.

Obviously, the power of this combo amp is a lot more capable than "just practice" or small room rehearsals with the band. So I started getting the idea in my head that maybe this could be a "full solution" for me.

I play in two bands currently, a classic rock type band that plays all of our tunes half step down from the originals, and I also play in an alternative/some classics cover band.

Our aspirations are mainly the small to medium bar and medium size club scene. I don't really envision that it will get anything greater than that, and if it does, I suppose it would be nice to have something that could handle such (medium large to large type clubs) without needing to upgrade and rebuild a rig from the ground up.... Does the rumble 500w pack enough power out of the box to rock a small to medium sized bar gigs and medium to potentially medium-large sized club gigs? Maybe the medium to medium-large club gigs would be in need of the extension cab?

It would fantastic to have one combo that could do it all for me in the practical context of what I aim and aspire to do. I'm not a bells and whistles type player.. I don't use effects pedals at all really (haven't had the desire to in nearly 10 years playing..never touched em!) and from time to time if I'm doing a gig that has a house PA I'll DI.... but other than that I'm just a guy who shows up with his bass, a tuner, and amp gear ready to go.

The rumble 500w 2x10 combo seems to be something that might be a solution for what I'm seeking. Can anybody here offer any insight?

Thanks!

Take note that it ain't any 500 W until you connect an external cabinet too on it. It's not even 250W when used alone with its 2x10. I wonder why so few people doesn't take advantage of the built in DI/line out provided. If you have access to front of house PA, then even 500W is too loud on stage. You need the character of a bass amp, but the loudness you can get from PA, if even 250 W should fell short. It's a pity that the DI/line out is affected by the volume, because it defeats its purpose. But the lowest end you get from the PA and maybe onstage monitors provided it's 12 or 15 inch.

The main gripe with me is that I thought about buying this one. But then I saw how the extension cab with a 15 inch looked like - the dimension are not the same so you can't stack it - and I thought...naaah. Then I considered how many times I've played where there's a huge PA, and opted for DI/line instead and went for the tiny 100W instead.... only if it worked for some time before it broke ...

 

[Honch]

I would love them to be front paneled though, instead of top paneled. I played once a small jazz gig that had so small stage (or area) that we ended up to have to cram it all in into a corner. We had to STACK the guitar amp (combo) ON TOP OF THE BASS COMBO that of course had to be on the floor. Went down well. And yes, I just had to use the headless bass for this gig, otherwise I'd bump into things. A low key low volume jazz gig.

The drummer was placed in front of that stack, having to take the first blow of everything. Trio gig, each bass player/guitar player to each side of him. That's the advantage of front paneled. However, if you have to reach for controls all of the time, top paneled are best. And you minimize the risk from undeliberately unplug your cable when moving around. However, I think if they made it front paneled the Rumble series would be much larger and take up more space since the amp section can't be placed "behind" the speaker so to speak.

 

[TitaniumRx]

For the GTX Guitar amp, it has stereo line out. Do I use a TRS to TRS cable or should I use TRS to XLR?

If the GTX line outs is TRS then you must use TRS to TRS cable.If the lines are TS then you must use a DI with TS input and XLR output.If the distance of the amp to console is 15 feet and sorter then TS to TS cables is ok.

In order to understand what is all that differences between active/passive DI,Line in or Mic Xlrs etc etc,please take your time and watch carefully all 4 videos below.Is essential to know what all that things is.I find that even many sounds engineers don't know exactly what is all that in detail.This videos is the best out there and they save you many times in the future.

Another thing you must know is that is very important that you must use a full futured mixer channels for the best sound results.Mixer channels without gain control for example is a no no.

 

[TitaniumRx]

How about the Rumble 200/500 Head (V3)?
Does its XLR lineout act the same way as the combo?

Yes

 

[Linnin]

How about the Rumble 200/500 Head (V3)?
Does its XLR lineout act the same way as the combo?

Yes, they are identical. The XRL out is post everything and also goes through some magic speaker cabinet emulation circuitry. It's the closest thing to mic'g your Rumble without the expense of a microphone. Just plug a mic cable into your Rumble and mixing console and away you go: Quick; Simple, Easy & Effective!