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Fender Rumble Club

#7,381
rjd5974 said:
Hey all, I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on the 500 combo with the 1x15 configuration, but I've heard some concerns about the DI of the amp being behind the volume, and for some folks that makes this amp unusable.

All my gigs have PA support and are medium sized venues with a mixture of indoor and outdoor shows. In the past I've always either gone out through my amp DI, which has always been fixed, or through an EDEN WT DI box. Should I be concerned about the DI on this amp? I know this thread is probably not the place for an unbiased opinion, but I'd like to hear what some others with a similar configuration and gigging situation have experienced. (Sorry..I didn't comb through all 350 plus pages of this thread to look for previous thoughts).

Thanks.
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Yes, when you turn up your amp, the DI also turns up. Then the soundman does his job if he is listening. It wouldn't be a problem unless you are constantly changing your volume on stage. I have used the DI to a very large PA at an outdoor event. It was perfect. Amazed how good it sounded. That is my totally biased opinion, by the way. I love my Rumbles! My Rumble 200 filled acres thanks to the DI. I have never heard anyone say the DI is unusable; at least not anyone who had actually used it themselves. :) I'm sure most everyone who has tried it thought it worked great!
 
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GregT said:
Yes, when you turn up your amp, the DI also turns up. Then the soundman does his job if he is listening. It wouldn't be a problem unless you are constantly changing your volume on stage. I have used the DI to a very large PA at an outdoor event. It was perfect. Amazed how good it sounded. That is my totally biased opinion, by the way. I love my Rumbles! My Rumble 200 filled acres thanks to the DI. I have never heard anyone say the DI is unusable; at least not anyone who had actually used it themselves. :) I'm sure most everyone who has tried it thought it worked great!
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Thanks. Maybe "unusable" was the wrong term. I just meant that I've read from some folks that have claimed not having the volume separate from what goes to the house to be a severe shortsighted move on Fender's part. That said, I've also read enough positives about these amps and this configuration to feel pretty good about pulling the trigger. And with the combo and the 15 I surely don't think I'll need to be cranking to get a good stage volume. Pretty close to pulling the trigger on this. It would be delivered right in time for my Friday gig.
 
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After 12 months of regular gigging I still just love my rumble 500 combo and its all I use now.
We also always have our own FOH support and we are the "sound guys" .
I am not anti the rumbles DI and only ever used it once because I forgot my pedal board power supply.
I personally prefer using a separate DI and SVT sim in my pedal board as an out to the desk as this always sends a consistent signal. To me me the benefits doing this in our situation is obvious.
I can take any bass or rig to any gig and dial in a good signal to the desk quickly.
When out front with my wireless the FOH normally always sounds good and better than what I hear on stage,but in saying that I love my rumble to bits as a stage monitor,it pumps like mad,no ext cab required.
 
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Hi all!

Have read most through this thread and started a search, but found nothing. Having bought the Fender Rumble 100 W v3 three months ago, and it's in for its second warranty repair. The sound starts to crack up after 5-10 minutes, just as something is too overheated. After the first repair, it came back and worked alright for some time. I DO NOT GO PAST 12 o' clock neither on Gain or Master volume, and this is heard anyway regardless of volume or dynamic attack on the string. Needles to say, DI:e or effects return leaves the same error. I e pluggin the bass into return only. It sounds like something in the power amp stages goes too hot and breaks/cracks up because the cracking is heard at ample volume (i e nothing like it's wrong with any bass or cable). Clearly a power amp problem. Tried with both passive and active basses. Playing just small tiny gigs, and equal as tiny rehearsal space. Mostly jazz, fusion and bluesy stuff. No high gain hard rock or metal.

Wonder if someone else had the same problem? The music shop recognized it as a warranty error, and Fender fixed it up, but now it's in for a second overhaul. Mind you, music shop told me this wasn't their first with this problem, and they've sold about like 50 of them since they came out. This is JUST the 100 W v3. Not the other ones.

Anyone else?
 
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Honch said:
Hi all! Have read most through this thread and started a search. Having bought the Fender Rumble 100 W v3 three months ago, and it's in for its second warranty repair. The sound starts to cracks up after 5-10 minutes, just as something is too overheated. After the first repair, it came back and worked alright for some time. I DO NOT GO PAST 12 o' clock neither on Gain or Master volume, and this is heard anyway regardless of volume. Needles to say, DI plus effects return leaves the same. I e pluggin the bass into return only. It sounds liek something in the power amp stages goes too hot and cracks up because the cracking is heard at ample volume (i e nothing like it's wrong with any bass or cable). Clearly a power amp problem. Tried with both passive and active basses. Playing just small tiny gigs, and equal as tiny rehearsal space. Mostly jazz, fusion and bluesy stuff. No high gain hard rock or metal.

Wonder if someoone else had the same problem? The music shop recognized it as a warranty error, and Fender fixed it up, but now it's in for a second overhaul. Mind you, music shop told me this wasn't their first, and they've sold about like 50 of them since they came out. This is JUST the 100 W v3.

Anyone else?
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I would say you need to have Fender swap out that amp. I have never had an issue like that and Lord knows I have pushed my little Rumble 100 a bunch of times.
 
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rjd5974 said:
Hey all, I'm pretty close to pulling the trigger on the 500 combo with the 1x15 extension, but I've heard some concerns about the DI of the amp being behind the volume, and for some folks that makes this amp unusable.

All my gigs have PA support and are medium sized venues with a mixture of indoor and outdoor shows. In the past I've always either gone out through my amp DI, which has always been fixed, or through an EDEN WT DI box. Should I be concerned about the DI on this amp? I know this thread is probably not the place for an unbiased opinion, but I'd like to hear what some others with a similar configuration and gigging situation have experienced. (Sorry..I didn't comb through all 350 plus pages of this thread to look for previous thoughts).

Thanks.
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I always have with me one female XLR to male TRS plug and i always suggest to sound guy to use a line level mono channel for me,not mic one.
With that you can compensate the hot signal the DI have.

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TitaniumRx said:
I always have with me one female XLR to male TRS plug and i always suggest to sound guy to use a line level mono channel for me,not mic one.
With that you can compensate the hot signal the DI have.

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Do tell how that works. I still get a hot signal going from an XLR to 1/4 cable amp to board. Am I doing something wrong? My board has level controls on all. Sorry about the ignorance. I am learning something new every day. Hopefully there will always be something new to learn or experiment with!

Anyway, no clue if this is how it is SUPPOSED to work, BUT...

XLR out of mics via XLR mic cables to XLR inputs on channel 1-4. Input volume adjusted via the level and gain knobs.
XLR out of Rumble V3 500 to XLR to 1/4" TS cable, input into mixer channel 5. Input volume adjusted via the level knob.
1/4" mono line out of GTX60 to 1/4" x 1/4" mono line level (instrument) cable into mixer channel 7 input. Volume adjusted via the level knob.
Laptop drum machine software out via 3.5mm trs cable and split from 3.5mm TRS jack to dual 1/4" TS plug adapter, and into channels 11/12 on mixer

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The ONLY attempts at using it this way have been me on bass, BIL on guitar, (His Les Paul), the laptop drum beats going, and my wife working the board... I know it all works. Is it not supposed to?
 
#7,390
Big Hoss said:
XLR out of Rumble V3 500 to XLR to 1/4" TS cable, input into mixer channel 5. Input volume adjusted via the level knob.
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You mean that the only control on line level is with volume and your gain is all the way close?In that situation you have a really hot signal for your board.Don't use ts cable,change it with balanced TRS.Your board have balanced TRS Line in channels,the 5 channel is one of them.
One solution i can think right now for your problem is to use a passive (only passive) DI box in line with the Fender one.The way you must use it is like this:Fender DI out XLR --> Passive DI in XLR --> Passive DI out XLR --> MIC input XLR or with one XLR to TRS adapter to line in channel of your board.Try it and tell us.
Don't use any active DI box with any active device ever on your board.
 
#7,391
TitaniumRx said:
You mean that the only control on line level is with volume and your gain is all the way close?In that situation you have a really hot signal for your board.Don't use ts cable,change it with balanced TRS.Your board have balanced TRS Line in channels,the 5 channel is one of them.
One solution i can think right now for your problem is to use a passive (only passive) DI box in line with the Fender one.The way you must use it is like this:Fender DI out XLR --> Passive DI in XLR --> Passive DI out XLR --> MIC input XLR or with one XLR to TRS adapter to line in channel of your board.Try it and tell us.
Don't use any active DI box with any active device ever on your board.
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I have an over abundance of XLR cables, would one of those XLR F to 1/4 TRS M adapters like you show do the trick? Are these ones at Amazon what I would need, And then I assume that, well channels 5 and 6 technically make one stereo channel, which would get plugged into 6. The control I have over that is FX on / off, FX level, bal, and level.

If I were to go with a cable would it be something like this one on Amazon?

What is bad about running in the side I am? I assume the signal is too hot for the board and could damage it. Am I on the right track?
 
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Big Hoss said:
I have an over abundance of XLR cables, would one of those XLR F to 1/4 TRS M adapters like you show do the trick? Are these ones at Amazon what I would need, And then I assume that, well channels 5 and 6 technically make one stereo channel, which would get plugged into 6. The control I have over that is FX on / off, FX level, bal, and level.

If I were to go with a cable would it be something like this one on Amazon?

What is bad about running in the side I am? I assume the signal is too hot for the board and could damage it. Am I on the right track?
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Everything seems ok with your job,except that the stereo line ins don't have gain input control.This means that if you have a hot source,like the Rumble DI out or the Guitar line out you may get some distortion from the overload input.Have you experience distortion from your bass or the guitar?The clip indicator of your board lights up when you play?If not you are ok.

If yes,you must find a way to lower the strength of the signal the bass and the guitar have.One way is with passive Di in series with the outputs of the amps and cable or adapters XLR to TRS like the one you post.Either one,cable or adapter is ok.

The output impedance of the rumble is 3.3 kΩ.The input impedance of the board is 20kΩ so we have a mismatch here i think.So with my limited knowledge on the subject you must have a little distortion on that two line ins.I hope a more experience guy than me help you with that.

You can use only the Left channel on that stereo channels without a problem,they are designed to work that way.


Edit:I make a mistake here.The passive DI solution is not gonna work with the stereo line ins.The output of the DI must be on MIC level XLRs,sorry :(.
 
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TitaniumRx said:
Everything seems ok with your job,except that the stereo line ins don't have gain input control.This means that if you have a hot source,like the Rumble DI out or the Guitar line out you may get some distortion from the overload input.Have you experience distortion from your bass or the guitar?The clip indicator of your board lights up when you play?If not you are ok.

If yes,you must find a way to lower the strength of the signal the bass and the guitar have.One way is with passive Di in series with the outputs of the amps and cable or adapters XLR to TRS like the one you post.Either one,cable or adapter is ok.

The output impedance of the rumble is 3.3 kΩ.The input impedance of the board is 20kΩ so we have a mismatch here i think.So with my limited knowledge on the subject you must have a little distortion on that two line ins.I hope a more experience guy than me help you with that.

You can use only the Left channel on that stereo channels without a problem,they are designed to work that way.
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I don't tend to go for loud, I go for clean. Typically the input hasn't been distorting.

Not sure why the GTX60 would be a problem into this board though. It is line level signal out of the line out. I can twist the volume knob all day long on that amp and not impact the line out volume at all. The jack next to it, the headphone jack though is another story all together...
 
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Okay let's see if I got this straight.

From the Rumble I go out of the XLR to a 1/4" TS cable (?) into a passive DI box such as the Behringer Ultra DI DI600P. (Not going to even consider anything like a Radial on my budget, sorry...), and then OUT using an XLR cable and in order to get into the 1/4" stereo input on channel 5 of the mixer, use one of those XLR to 1/4" TRS adapters and all should be peachy with Rumble to mixer correct?

Now from the GTX60, that has a 100 ohm impedance and the board has a 10 ohm. I am no rocket scientist, but that sounds like a bad recipe. So for THAT, I would come out of the Line Out jack on the GTX60, which is 1/4" TS line level signal, so no need for speaker cable, but rather instrument cable, and then into a DI box similar to the one mentioned above, and then out from the DI box and into the board same way as the Rumble / DI rig... Is this correct?

On the sub gigs I have done, I literally just handed the sound guy the other end of an XLR cable and off it went into who knows where... This rig is for my own home studio stuff, and education for me...

Now let's play a bit here. I do have a used Eurodesk SX2442FX. That literally has 16 XLR inputs. Now would there be any problem going out of the Rumble, straight up with an XLR cable to the board or would I still need a DI box?
 

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