Fender Rumble Club

[bdplaid]

Sorry, I meant to say "8-ohm" instead of "4-ohm". My idea (expressed without drinking enough coffee yet) is that I could run a 4x12 rig off the Rumble head if they made 8-ohm 2x12 cabs.

Man, is this wild speculation; we've no no "rumblings" from Fender about this cab, sorry if I've stirred up anything... but anyway...

I'm not sure they'd go the route of different ohmages. They want to keep costs down, so I'd expect them to use the same speakers, which makes it 4 ohm.

But here is an absolute dealbreaker for me: If they did the offset location in a cab. I want a linear array - stacked in a direct line. I wanted it in the 210 cab and it didn't happen. It makes a difference if you ever want to stack cabs. [Invalid or Expired Link Removed] gets this idea, most US manufacturers don't.

 

[Big Hoss]

Maybe, but I think I'd want a 4ohm 212. I'd want the full wattage going into the single cab to keep it small. If I need bigger I'd put on another head. Or use a power amp. But the convenience and portability of single cabs cannot be denied. I carried one last night with one hand. and it wasn't heavy.

True point for sure. I personally would have considered going with a separate if they offered an 8 ohm 212 cab through. My back won't give a 410 even the slightest consideration, but 2 210s are no problem. If you just want a 212, a single box would be easier to move assuming the weight is kept low, than 2 112s. One less cable to worry about and fail etc... The 4 speaker and larger (or 18" singles and bigger) cabs are in the realm of needing wheels, or a good hand truck to keep vertebrae happy, and with me, just getting it off of the truck and onto the hand truck is problematic... And a HUGE part of the appeal of the Rumble 210 setup. I know you said you found the 210 cab on top of the 500 combo to be boomy. I am not having the same results. Not sure why, but then again, you and I work different types of venues, probably have very different playing style etc... Some mechanics are faster with a speed wrench than an air ratchet, use the tool that works best for you! I haven't followed the thread super closely, but I believe you said you got your sound sorted out with a different cab, or something... Glad to know you are happy with it now...

There are bass players, and there are bass owners.

I know several multi instrumentalists, guitarist / bass player / drummers that are good at all of them. I am a bass player that owns guitars and a few minor percussion instruments (egg shakers, bongos etc..) I do NOT consider myself a guitarist or percussionist by any definition of the words. Most of the people I have run into that are guitarists that think they can play bass are a joke. The young lady I sold my SR500 to tried playing it like a guitar and it was, well unpleasant at best. I gave her my old beginning bass DVD and book sets with the deal. Hopefully she has learned something by now. At her age she should have.

 

[slobake]

Man, we just auditioned a rhythm guitarist who "is also a bassist." He looked at my Rumble rig and told me that he had a "1200 dollar Genz blah blah blah." He shut up once he heard me play. On a side note, I get a bit of an attitude when guitarists claim to be awesome bassists. I wanted to hand him my bass and tell him to play, but... you know... germs and stuff.

Our guitarists sometimes fills in for me. He plays an active 5 string and can play crazy riffs on his bass. The rest of the band say they like it better when I play.
I like to think of myself as holding the foundation together and helping everyone else sound good. Non musicians don't notice my bass too much when I play. I know I am doing the right thing when I see people shaking it in time with my playing.
I have a Rumble and an Am Std P.

 

[Gravedigger Dav]

True point for sure. I personally would have considered going with a separate if they offered an 8 ohm 212 cab through. My back won't give a 410 even the slightest consideration, but 2 210s are no problem. If you just want a 212, a single box would be easier to move assuming the weight is kept low, than 2 112s. One less cable to worry about and fail etc... The 4 speaker and larger (or 18" singles and bigger) cabs are in the realm of needing wheels, or a good hand truck to keep vertebrae happy, and with me, just getting it off of the truck and onto the hand truck is problematic... And a HUGE part of the appeal of the Rumble 210 setup. I know you said you found the 210 cab on top of the 500 combo to be boomy. I am not having the same results. Not sure why, but then again, you and I work different types of venues, probably have very different playing style etc... Some mechanics are faster with a speed wrench than an air ratchet, use the tool that works best for you! I haven't followed the thread super closely, but I believe you said you got your sound sorted out with a different cab, or something... Glad to know you are happy with it now...



I know several multi instrumentalists, guitarist / bass player / drummers that are good at all of them. I am a bass player that owns guitars and a few minor percussion instruments (egg shakers, bongos etc..) I do NOT consider myself a guitarist or percussionist by any definition of the words. Most of the people I have run into that are guitarists that think they can play bass are a joke. The young lady I sold my SR500 to tried playing it like a guitar and it was, well unpleasant at best. I gave her my old beginning bass DVD and book sets with the deal. Hopefully she has learned something by now. At her age she should have.

We old guys have to keep a lookout for tricks to save our backs. I use this for my Rumble 500:
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I actually paid $20 for it at Costco.

 

[Big Hoss]

We old guys have to keep a lookout for tricks to save our backs. I use this for my Rumble 500:
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I actually paid $20 for it at Costco.

I had an old convertible hand truck that we used for load in / load out that finally died due to rust we didn't notice until it broke on load out last gig. But yeah, hand trucks or flat carts are priceless for taking the load off of backs... good thing about the gigs we do is very little, if any stairs to deal with, like I said, biggest hurdle is getting gear in and out of the truck.

 

[bdplaid]

Our guitarists sometimes fills in for me. He plays an active 5 string and can play crazy riffs on his bass. The rest of the band say they like it better when I play.
I like to think of myself as holding the foundation together and helping everyone else sound good. Non musicians don't notice my bass too much when I play. I know I am doing the right thing when I see people shaking it in time with my playing.
I have a Rumble and an Am Std P.

Right. Bass has a function, which has little to do with playing crazy riffs. One f the things that annoys me no end are the plethora of product "demos" on the web, some of these sponsored by big name companies. It becomes more about the players' expertise than about the product, and in most of these I'll be damned if I can tell what the gear sounds like.

Bass is about foundation. One can do more than that, but if he does not keep the foundation going while he's doing the "more," he's not doing his job. This is what makes bass both interesting and difficult. If all you play is foundation - root, or root-fifth - you're uninteresting and are kind of giving bass a bad name. On the other hand, if all you do are lines and riffs and don't support the song, you're not a bass player. Something else that might be useful, but not a bass player. Good walking bass ines are about interest and foundation. As examples, Jamerson knew it, and Bon Jovi's Hugh McDonald knows it. Listen to the bass line on Living on a Prayer and tell me Hugh doesn't get it done.

 

[Big Hoss]

Right. Bass has a function, which has little to do with playing crazy riffs. One f the things that annoys me no end are the plethora of product "demos" on the web, some of these sponsored by big name companies. It becomes more about the players' expertise than about the product, and in most of these I'll be damned if I can tell what the gear sounds like.

Bass is about foundation. One can do more than that, but if he does not keep the foundation going while he's doing the "more," he's not doing his job. This is what makes bass both interesting and difficult. If all you play is foundation - root, or root-fifth - you're uninteresting and are kind of giving bass a bad name. On the other hand, if all you do are lines and riffs and don't support the song, you're not a bass player. Something else that might be useful, but not a bass player. Good walking bass ines are about interest and foundation. As examples, Jamerson knew it, and Bon Jovi's Hugh McDonald knows it. Listen to the bass line on Living on a Prayer and tell me Hugh doesn't get it done.

Only play the notes that need to be there, how they need to be played, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[basslust]

Maybe, but I think I'd want a 4ohm 212. I'd want the full wattage going into the single cab to keep it small. If I need bigger I'd put on another head. Or use a power amp. But the convenience and portability of single cabs cannot be denied. I carried one last night with one hand. and it wasn't heavy.

You could also get two 112s. I have two of the v2 neodymium 112s and stack them long ways for a nice amount of punch that is closer to ear level. They are also 23 lbs each, and quite easy to carry with a bass slung over my shoulder.

 

[bdplaid]

Only play the notes that need to be there, how they need to be played, nothing more, nothing less.

A company bought a million dollar machine that malfunctioned incessantly. None of the engineers with the company could figure it out. Finally, in desperation, they called one of their old, retired engineers and asked him to come in and consult on a solution. They would pay a fee.

The old engineer looked at the machine. Climbed over it, crawled under it, disassembled some of it, sat down and thought about it. After some time, he stood up, walked to the machine, pulled a piece of chalk from his pocket, and drew an X on the machine. "There is your problem," said the old engineer.

The mechanics went to work, and in no time, the machine was fully functional and purring along beautifully.

The company received a bill from the old engineer. $50,000.00, it was.

Outraged, the company president called the engineer. "Fifty grand for one chalk mark? Are you out of mind?" The engineer replied, "I'll revise and itemize it for you."

The next bill they received:
"One chalk mark.............. $1.
Knowing where to put it.... $49,999."

They paid the bill.

So, where are those notes going to go?

 

[GregT]

One thing I believe is that we play different notes on bass. That is why guitarists still play guitar when they pick up a bass. If we were to pick up a guitar and start playing it like a bass it wouldn't be right either. Two different, yet closely related instruments.

I am one of the guys who plays both. No apology. I like both. I find playing bass much harder than guitar. But then, I don't play it like a guitar. It is a bass.

At last nights jam, a rockabilly guitarist got up and it was just the two of us. I held up the bottom end well enough that he could take a lead on his acoustic. Then he stopped playing guitar and played a harmonica solo. Just bass and harmonica. People cheered because we held it together and it sounded pretty good. They were dancing.

 

[Steadfast]

One thing I believe is that we play different notes on bass. That is why guitarists still play guitar when they pick up a bass. If we were to pick up a guitar and start playing it like a bass it wouldn't be right either. Two different, yet closely related instruments.

I am one of the guys who plays both. No apology. I like both. I find playing bass much harder than guitar. But then, I don't play it like a guitar. It is a bass.

At last nights jam, a rockabilly guitarist got up and it was just the two of us. I held up the bottom end well enough that he could take a lead on his acoustic. Then he stopped playing guitar and played a harmonica solo. Just bass and harmonica. People cheered because we held it together and it sounded pretty good. They were dancing.

 

[slobake]

One thing I believe is that we play different notes on bass. That is why guitarists still play guitar when they pick up a bass. If we were to pick up a guitar and start playing it like a bass it wouldn't be right either. Two different, yet closely related instruments.

I am one of the guys who plays both. No apology. I like both. I find playing bass much harder than guitar. But then, I don't play it like a guitar. It is a bass.

At last nights jam, a rockabilly guitarist got up and it was just the two of us. I held up the bottom end well enough that he could take a lead on his acoustic. Then he stopped playing guitar and played a harmonica solo. Just bass and harmonica. People cheered because we held it together and it sounded pretty good. They were dancing.

I played fair to mediocre guitar for years. One day a friend asked me to play bass for her band. I had never tried playing bass before but I soon learned that I had found my instrument.
After five years of playing bass I have realized that I played guitar like it was a bass. Lots of muting, very rhythmic and thumpy. Guess I was meant to play bass all along.
The guitar player for Houndog Taylor played a Telecaster like it was a bass. They didn't have a bass player in the band, just a guy playing guitar like it was a bass.

 

[LesterS]

It was time to retire my ancient Crate BX50. (It just isn't presentable for talking out in public.) I needed a decent amplifier to use yet be portable.

So Now I'm the proud owner of a Rumble V3 200 Combo. - - Wow. Impressive for 35lbs.

It was all the info I learned here on TB that swayed my decision to buy.
Now I'll let the collective intelligence here recommend which cab I should pair it with for when I want to 'go big'.

Fender says the 112(500w) is the 'matching' extension cab.
But the 210(700w) will also fit perfectly under the 200 Combo.
The 115(600w) is 4" wider and and 1/2" deeper, but 200w combo is also 15".

If I match the speaker size, 15 to 15, the extension cab isn't the same external size.
If I match what Fender says, my extension would 'only' be 12" and the combo 15".
And going with the 210, well it's Fender recommendation for the 500 combo and may be overkill.

Decisions... decisions.

Oh, and because 'Pict's or it didn't happen'...

And I almost forgot... Can I get a number?

 

[Linnin]

Welcome to the Fender Rumble Club, @LesterS! You are member #570 Rumbles Rule!

 

[LesterS]

570.
Five hundred and seventy seems like nice, small, intimate group o' folks.

 

[Linnin]

If I match the speaker size, 15 to 15, the extension cab isn't the same external size.
If I match what Fender says, my extension would 'only' be 12" and the combo 15".
And going with the 210, well it's Fender recommendation for the 500 combo and may be overkill.

I've only played the Rumble 200 combo in music stores at moderate volume, and never with an extension speaker cabinet. Just like it's predecessor, the V2 Rumble 150, there's plenty of beef and oomph to be had on it's own. I would choose the Rumble 115 as it contains the very same 15" driver as the combo. Sonically they are a perfect match. With any pairing of identical drivers you get the 'coupling effect'. That makes it far easier to EQ for desired tone; mix, and room characteristics. With mixed drivers it is always an EQ compromise. That doesn't mean you shouldn't mix drivers, just that there are trade offs. Also keep in mind that any choice you make will only be receiving 100 watts, and the internal driver getting the other 100 watts.

 

[bdplaid]

I've only played the Rumble 200 combo in music stores at moderate volume, and never with an extension speaker cabinet. Just like it's predecessor, the V2 Rumble 150, there's plenty of beef and oomph to be had on it's own. I would choose the Rumble 115 as it contains the very same 15" driver as the combo. Sonically they are a perfect match. With any pairing of identical drivers you get the 'coupling effect'. That makes it far easier to EQ for desired tone; mix, and room characteristics. With mixed drivers it is always an EQ compromise. That doesn't mean you shouldn't mix drivers, just that there are trade offs. Also keep in mind that any choice you make will only be receiving 100 watts, and the internal driver getting the other 100 watts.

I disagree that mixing speakers is *always* a compromise. sometimes it's perfectly what you want. That's one of the biggest myths floating around on TB. I think a bass player with OCD started it...

Mixing cabs means you have to experiment, because it's not predictable. I have two identical GK NEO 15 cabs that I love separately, and even in conjunction with a 500 combo (that rig kills). but I hate both 15s together. I love the 500 combo with the 112, but i love mo better two 112s together. Point is, it just depends.

As for an additional cab - the 210 would be my first choice, at least to try out. That 210 is uber punchy and will probably be a nice mix with the 15 in the combo. But who knows without trying... have fun while you're at it!

 

[bdplaid]

I played fair to mediocre guitar for years. One day a friend asked me to play bass for her band. I had never tried playing bass before but I soon learned that I had found my instrument.
After five years of playing bass I have realized that I played guitar like it was a bass. Lots of muting, very rhythmic and thumpy. Guess I was meant to play bass all along.
The guitar player for Houndog Taylor played a Telecaster like it was a bass. They didn't have a bass player in the band, just a guy playing guitar like it was a bass.

There's a 2-piece hard rock act kicking around, the bass player plays the bass a lot like a guitar, sometimes he plays barre chords on it. It's interesting.

 

[GregT]

I disagree that mixing speakers is *always* a compromise. sometimes it's perfectly what you want. That's one of the biggest myths floating around on TB. I think a bass player with OCD started it...

Mixing cabs means you have to experiment, because it's not predictable. I have two identical GK NEO 15 cabs that I love separately, and even in conjunction with a 500 combo (that rig kills). but I hate both 15s together. I love the 500 combo with the 112, but i love mo better two 112s together. Point is, it just depends.

As for an additional cab - the 210 would be my first choice, at least to try out. That 210 is uber punchy and will probably be a nice mix with the 15 in the combo. But who knows without trying... have fun while you're at it!

You mean you actually have and use the 500 combo with a 1x12 Rumble cabinet together? If so, how is it?

 

[bdplaid]

You mean you actually have and use the 500 combo with a 1x12 Rumble cabinet together? If so, how is it?

Yes, It's good. Kind of like adding a 15 on the bottom, but with substantially tighter bass. the thing I like is that the 12 has a midrange bark that added to the smooth punch of the 10s. when I was playing that rig, I found myself focusing and enjoying that bark much more than what the 10s did, so i got another 12 and a head. The two 112s with a 500 head are my main amp, but I use the combo occasionally and still love it, too. For me, the 12s are a better match for my sound, which is rocking, barking P-bass all the way.