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Fender Rumble Club

The real advantages of separates is versatility. One head and different cabinets for different purposes. Also if your amp should die, easy shipping for repairs and use a back up head in it's place.

The advantages of a combo are one easy to move unit. Today's Rumble 200 & 500 combos are also very versatile in that they have a powered extension speaker output. Most combos do not.

Given your query of Rumble 500 combo + Rumble 210 cab ($950) vs Rumble 500 head + Rumble 410 cab ($800) is a close match. Big difference in favor of the combo is you can get the full 500 watts and can choose the number of drivers needed. Two or Four? With the head and cab you are stuck with four drivers whether you need them or not. The 500 head + 2 x 210's (or any two 8 ohm cabs) would be the most versatile. In this case $1,100. So what suits you best is the real question. I'd pick a 500 head and a pair of Rumble 115 cabinets. I already have a pair of V2 112's that I Love.
However, the versatility of separates comes at a cost. In the case of Rumbles, if you went with a Rumble 500 head and two 210 cabs the rig would cost about 30% more and be about 6 kilograms heavier than a Rumble 500 combo and 210 cab. It's still a mystery to me why the cab weighs more than the combo.

I also salute you for one of the most balanced and sensible opinions on combos vs. separates I've ever seen on TB. :)
 
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However, the versatility of separates comes at a cost. In the case of Rumbles, if you went with a Rumble 500 head and two 210 cabs the rig would cost about 30% more and be about 6 kilograms heavier than a Rumble 500 combo and 210 cab. It's still a mystery to me why the cab weighs more than the combo.

I also salute you for one of the most balanced and sensible opinions on combos vs. separates I've ever seen on TB. :)
Thank you. I have totally bought into the matching drivers syndrome preached here on TB. Still baffles me how the 210 cab weighs more than the 500 combo too, but it's not noticeable so not a big deal for me. I will mainly use just the combo for small to medium sized room, and add the cab for larger applications. I also have used just the 210 with my STM-900 with great results.
 
It's still a mystery to me why the cab weighs more than the combo.
This is because the Rumble 210 is made in China by Eminence for Fender and the plywood there is heavier. Also the twin steel side handles add some weight.
I also salute you for one of the most balanced and sensible opinions on combos vs. separates I've ever seen on TB. :)
Thank You Kindly @JakobT! There is a rabid anti-combo mindset on most of TalkBass every bit as bad as the anti-Fender folks. In many instances they are one and the same. Ignore them. I do.
 
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I was recently able to do a side-by-side comparison of Rumble 40 covers made by LeCover, MDB, and Studio Slips.
  • All use similar materials -- a polyester or nylon canvas-like weave (cordura).
  • You can select other cover materials.
  • All fit the amp well.
  • MDB and LeCover cost about the same and are very reasonable. Studio Slips is a bit pricier.
  • MDB and Studio Slips have great quality.
  • Studio Slips are more expensive but have some nice extra features. They have many different styles of covers including some which cover all sides including the bottom. You can get varying levels of padding as well.
  • LeCover looks great from a distance, but the manufacturing details are rough.
  • LeCover and Studio Slips offer bottom straps for their covers (add $5.00 - $7.50) which can keep the cover from sliding off when in the back of the car/van/truck.
  • Padding is sort of moot. On anything short of a hard-shell case, unless the padding is very thick and heavy (like mover's blankets,) it really won't offer much protection.
In my opinion, for price and quality, MDB comes out on top.

Gripes:
MDB has -- by far -- the ugliest web site I've seen since 1999! The layout and formatting are merely bad, but the background image is a train wreck! Ugh!
Having little pictures of the amps or other graphic images in the catalog area just clutters things up.
 
This is because the Rumble 210 is made in China by Eminence for Fender and the plywood there is heavier. Also the twin steel side handles add some weight.

Thank You Kindly @JakobT! There is a rabid anti-combo mindset on most of TalkBass every bit as bad as the anti-Fender folks. In many instances they are one and the same. Ignore them. I do.
Me, too. I do find combos more practical for my purposes, but I fully understand that others might find separates preferable. Different strokes for different folks. That said, I may well pick up a 210 one of these days, just for the hell of it. :)
 
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I've never really liked tube amps of any kind. One thing I like about the SVT is the punch, but I discovered early on that it was the cab doing that. I used a Peavey SS head into an original square-back SVT cab (my first real amp) and it was punchy as anything. The thing I never liked about full-on tube amps is the slowness - you call it bloom, I call it lazy response. I'm a very quick, funky/punchy player (in my head, similar to Rocco Prestia) and while I appreciate the meat of a tube amp, especially for a rock or blues band, I need the speed and punch of a solid state amp a lot more for funk. I also like to get my growl from a super-clean amp, not from distortion, which I find tube amps always bring. And then there's the compression... Oy. Lots of guys love it, I'm a very dynamic player and find compression limiting (pun intended).

Which brings us to the Rumble...

I find the Rumble to be a very fast-responding amp, but with a tube-like sonic meat :)-)) quality. You say you like MarkBass LM II, and that stymies me - those amps are anything but tube-like; I have two of them, an LMIII 800 and an F500 and find them to be not only mid-heavy, but deficient in low end "torque," shall we say. This isn't to say the MB's don't sound good; they do, just rather the antithesis of a tube vibe. IMO.

You must have been doing backflips over the Genz Streamliner. Three-tube front end with Class D power. I had one of those too, and while I loved it in the store, I soon despised it. It had a dark and muddy tone I could never get to brighten up, no matter what cab I bought nor tried it with. Sold it, good riddance.

Then we come to Ampeg Class D, the PF line. I had an early model PF800. Sounded great for the hour or so that it worked before turning into a fuzzbox. Recently I tried a PF 500. Boy did that little amp bring the meat. Perfect Ampeg depth, the band loved it, and it was interchangeable with the SVT 4 owned by the band's guitarist. But I couldn't get past the thought of the PF 500 breaking down on me (some reports of that still happening with the PF500s), and my own recollection of the PF800 turning into a stone.

In the grand scheme of all that, the Rumble really measured up. Got a sound that's fast, punchy and clear, but with a tubey vibe and hard-as-nails reliability. The one thing it doesn't have is that Ampeg subsonic beef (boef to you chaps across the pond).

That low end push is the only thing I'm after at this point. I don't usually use pedals, but I just ordered a Tech21 VT DI, so we'll see what that brings to the Rumble.

Rock on, Garth.


Then we're different but similar hey? All good my friend. Love the Rumble v3s love the Mark Bass stuff. ... hate most compression but. ....love me toobs....
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