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Figuring-out the 5 String Concept

In my experience, a standard setup on a four string allows you to drop your E string to D with little problem. Any lower than that, and you are going to run into trouble with the strings flopping against the frets, loss of note definition, ect. Therefore, if you play any lower than D on a standard four string, you are probably going to need to gauge up on your strings and get it specifically setup for that type of tuning. That's fine if you use that tuning all night. However, if you cover multiple tunings, you may need multiple basses. A five string eliminates that problem, since the B string is meant to be used for notes below standard 440. Throughout a gig, my guitarist uses four different tunings, standard 440, drop D, drop C#, and standard a whole step down. I can use the same bass throughout all of these tunings without having to switch instruments in the middle of a set, tune in the middle of a set, or maintain fresh sets of strings on a large collection of basses. Plus, being a bass player, I think in 4ths. I guess that "drop" tunings wouldn't be that big of a deal when doing covers if you're not improvising - I still love my 5 strings when playing cover material - but I definitely like having my bass setup in standard for the writing aspect of music. I do agree that a well-placed lower note can add a tasteful nuance to music. We cover Bad Day by Fuel. Anyone familiar with that song knows that it goes from D maj to D min. I play the D maj on the 5th fret of the A string, but then hit the low D on the D min. I believe that's how it is on the original recording. It really adds some tasteful power to the song.

As far as 5th fret E vs. open E - To my ears, the 5th fret B has more fundamental and more power, but the open E has more definition and upper harmonics. What I play has to do with the situation. Sometimes an open E makes more sense when considering the economy of motion. Sometimes a fretted E is better (especially since you aren't left with the issue of muting it after you play the note you need).
 
the 5 string . I have big hands and 4's feel uncomfortably narrow to me. I am a beginner so my playing certainly doesnt justify me having a 5'er. I do feel that a lot of the pro's w/5's and 6's rarely touch the B string at all. Infact a lot of them play a lot of high notes, like a lead guitar or something.
One of my goals in learning is to learn to tastefully utilize the B string so I can hold down the bottom playing some deep grooves you can feel as well as hear. Thats my dream anyway, lol.

No reason a beginner can't start on the coveted 5 banger!
Here's what you do: ignore the B string and pedal root - V through a country-esque tune like "This Land is Your Land". Easy, simply stated, but effective. Now let's try something with a latin groove...like Santana's "Oye Como Va". Once again, very simple but, man, what impact! I believe its in A so the low D (3rd fret, B string) comes in handy. BTW, playing along with a Santana CD will make you feel like a real bass player in no time...and I mean old Santana material, not this crap with Rob Thomas, Michelle Branch, and Chad / Nickelback. Essence of the groove!

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I converted from a 4 to a 5 and hardly ever use the notes below E. I mainly like having options since fretted E sounds different than open E and once in a while I drop a bomb with a low note held for awhile. The tighter string spacing also has forced me to really clean up my muting technique, especially while slapping. A four still feels like home, but unless I am just wanking at home, the material I play with other musicians is not too technically challenging that it becomes an issue.
 
For me there are two things that I really like about a 5-string bass --

1) Being able to go to that "low D" occasionally and shake the walls. In my experience the lower B, C and C# are a little to rumbley to be useful (YMMV), but the low D can be pretty darn dramatic when used at the right time.

2) Being able to play walking blues patterns in E, with the root on the 5th fret. Sometimes the open E sounds "right," but the 5th fret E has a deeper feel (YMMV) and is easier for me to play. I like having the option to choose either one as I play.

FWIW, I used a dropped D tuning on a 4-string bass before I bought my first 5-string and found the asymmetric interval between the E(D) and A strings annoying.
 
I'm reminded of when I started viola (long time ago) after studying violin for quite a while. Viola is tuned one fifth below violin, and uses a different clef...but the overwhelming majority of the repertoire played doesn't use the low C string (viola = CGDA, violin = GDAE).

However, the sonority (sound of the instrument) is different, the scale is different, and while the technique isn't that different, the approach to it can be.

4's are usually 34" scale, but can be as short as 30". 5's are often 35" scale and occasionally 34"...but even then the sonority is a little different and the approach to the instrument is a bit different...even if the technique isn't that different...
 
Another reason for the low B that I don't think has been mentioned...

I believe the original reason for the addition of the low "B" was to compete(probobly not the best word) with bass synth's in modern hip hop/etc.