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First Cigarette....

#122
Ah, now I see.
14 years of out of control smoking has given you moral authority to condemn all smoking.
Have you considered the possibility that your experience doesn't encompass all?
mike_v_s said:
You must be smoking in a weird part of the world. I smoked for 14 years and can only recall 1, maybe two times when someone get indignant enough to warrant a verbal reply, let alone blowing smoke at them. Having smoked a minimum of 20 cigarettes a day (usually 30-40), that's over 100,000 cigarettes and only two incidents. Hardly enough reason to continue smoking another 50,000 cigarettes to spite the next guy that dared say something.

Mike
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#125
Bigjohn said:
Ah, now I see.
14 years of out of control smoking has given you moral authority to condemn all smoking.
Have you considered the possibility that your experience doesn't encompass all?
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c'mon dude...for fifty years we've known about the negatives.....beyond bloody-mindedness....there is no rational justification for it.....you want to smoke,smoke...it's your money,your health,and all that but geez...... trying to pass it off as some kind of noble crusade,just won't fly...
 
#126
Let It Fall said:
Get over yourself you POS. Go live on the streets for a week, go take a look a few other countries. Go look in the DAMN history books. If you can't afford to go somewhere join the army they will pay your way to ****** places so you can see how not so bad your life really is.
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Living on the streets = life would suck more. Then I'd just go back to my current level of suckage.

Reading history book = Life not any less suck filled. I'd just have more knowledge about events gone by.

Joining military = not gonna happen. Diabetes = no go for military duty, which makes my life suck even more. I'd love to serve. My life would suck less. As for civilian position within the military..... the economy/government cutbacks killed that, and keep flogging it. Like the ol' dead horse.....

As for me suggesting to kids that they don't, I'd basically tell em' to wait till they can buy them themselves, then decide for themselves if they wanna or not even knowing what can happen. Like I did.

As for the cancer part: if I get it, I do, if not, I don't. I'll deal with that when/if it comes. It's called dealing with the consequences, and I don't believe I've ever said i wouldn't.

Anyways, don't mean to be taken as snippy if I come across that way. Just wanna be direct and to the point on your post.
 
#127
Bigjohn said:
Ah, now I see.
14 years of out of control smoking has given you moral authority to condemn all smoking.
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Not at all (you must have missed the posts where I stated that I support others' right to smoke). I'm just wondering how, in the 14 years I smoked, I managed to dodge the deluge of non-smoking fanatics that you seem to hate.
Have you considered the possibility that your experience doesn't encompass all?
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Daily. It's what makes sarcasm flow so freely. Have you considered the possibility that answering my question (to explain your experiences as they differ quite a bit from mine) might be more beneficial to your point than going off on a tangent about me? For that matter, not answering at all would be better for your point. Redirecting has the reading wondering all kinds of things.

Mike
 
#129
NINFAN said:
Living on the streets = life would suck more. Then I'd just go back to my current level of suckage.

Reading history book = Life not any less suck filled. I'd just have more knowledge about events gone by.

Joining military = not gonna happen. Diabetes = no go for military duty, which makes my life suck even more. I'd love to serve. My life would suck less. As for civilian position within the military..... the economy/government cutbacks killed that, and keep flogging it. Like the ol' dead horse.....

As for me suggesting to kids that they don't, I'd basically tell em' to wait till they can buy them themselves, then decide for themselves if they wanna or not even knowing what can happen. Like I did.

As for the cancer part: if I get it, I do, if not, I don't. I'll deal with that when/if it comes. It's called dealing with the consequences, and I don't believe I've ever said i wouldn't.

Anyways, don't mean to be taken as snippy if I come across that way. Just wanna be direct and to the point on your post.
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life dealt you some crappy cards,so may as well toss the few good ones huh.....when i think of my old man and all my uncles who gave up the best part of their youth overseas to preserve the freedoms we enjoy,this kind of whiny crap makes me puke.....
 
#130
I find it hard not to agree with Let it Fall... you are employed, you have an internet connection, and you are of age. Some inferences are possible regarding your life and its overall quality in comparison to the vast majority of the world. Really now, does the "my life is crap" argument hold water?

All that aside, you should consider finding a less self-destructive way to deal with your stress and angst. Several good ones have been mentioned above... personally I find weightlifting to be a great stress reliever. My point is that smoking is inherently a trade-off... you trade your stress now for increased risk of suffering frequently terminal diseases later. I question any "intelligent" person who willingly makes that trade, especially since there are other more constructive/less destructive ways to deal.
 
#132
Yango said:
Wow,

I've heard some crap in my time, but this is priceless.
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Not really.

We used to smoke hookah every friday when we were 17 with my best friend.One day he filled his lungs and let go of the smoke slowly and said :"When I fill my lungs with the smoke,I feel like letting all the bull$#½£ in my life into my lungs,and when I release it,the bull$½# goes out."

I take walks every night,halfway through the course there's a place I go and have a coffee accompanied with a cigar (Coffee Creme).The best moment of my day is when I smoke the cigar with that coffee.The relaxing feel,it feels just so good.

Also,I've been drinking every night for a while now,I've always enjoyed alcohol anyways.I know it is bad for my liver but with that I prevent more damage to my "brain".
I wonder if it'll show up to be a good trade off in the long run though.
 
#133
It's too bad some people get addicted so easily. I can go weeks or months without smoking a thing, but if my uncle stops by, we always have port and cigars. If someone offers me a smoke now and then, sure I might take it. There's a way to enjoy the dangerous things in life - using intelligent moderation. This is why I drink beer but am not a raging alcoholic, much like how I might occasionally enjoy a stogie without smoking like a chimney. As a source of occasional recreation and in small doses, these things won't kill you, and can be quite enjoyable. But using them as a crutch puts you in a dangerous position.
 
#135
On Feb 6 this year I went out and had a massive bender. I crawled home at 4 am having drunk God knows how much scotch and smoked a pack and a half of cigarettes.

The next morning I got a call from my wife, who was in Bangkok for her annual health check, to say they had discovered a malignant tumor. I packed a bag and drove to the airport to get on the next plane. As I drove, I thought, if my wife makes it through, I NEVER want to have to call her with that news and I decided, very seriously, to stop smoking.

I haven't smoked since and I feel great and proud of myself. So don't be self destructive. When I started, I had no wife and no kids - no one but myself to be concerned with. Family changes that, and you start to resent yourself for subjecting your family to your bad health decisions.
 
#136
Those of you arguing that stress relief is a benefit of smoking may want to read this article:
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Abstract:

Smokers often report that cigarettes help relieve feelings of
stress. However, the stress levels of adult smokers are
slightly higher than those of nonsmokers, adolescent smokers
report increasing levels of stress as they develop regular
patterns of smoking, and smoking cessation leads to
reduced stress. Far from acting as an aid for mood control,
nicotine dependency seems to exacerbate stress. This is
confirmed in the daily mood patterns described by smokers,
with normal moods during smoking and worsening moods
between cigarettes. Thus, the apparent relaxant effect of
smoking only reflects the reversal of the tension and irritability
that develop during nicotine depletion. Dependent
smokers need nicotine to remain feeling normal. The message
that tobacco use does not alleviate stress but actually
increases it needs to be far more widely known. It could
help those adult smokers who wish to quit and might
prevent some schoolchildren from starting.
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Here is a link to a more recent study reaching a similar conclusion:
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#137
The Tobacco Cessation Resource Center (TCRC) is affiliated with the Washington State Department of Health Tobacco Prevention and Control Program. TCRC exists to provide tobacco cessation-related training, mentoring and resources to health care providers, health delivery systems, and those who educate health care providers. The goal of TCRC is to increase the number of health care providers who effectively intervene with their patients who use tobacco.
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Yeah, wouldn't expect them to say anything negative about smoking...

And the second study:

A total of 469 smokers hospitalized after MI or CAB surgery and wanting to stop smoking were seen in the hospital and completed 1-year follow-ups. Ratings of helpfulness of smoking in managing stress at baseline, smoking status (validated by salivary cotinine concentration) and ratings of perceived stress at baseline and at 1-year follow-up were collected.
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Huh. Sounds like the ideal test group to me..
 
#138
OK, so we all know that smoking is a bad thing. So are a lot of things. The key word is MODERATION. Now we all know that cigarettes are powerfully addictive. I think if a person can control their smoking then it can be an enjoyable thing to do. Smoke socially. Or only after work at home relaxing.

Its obviously healthier for you to not smoke at all. But if you love it like many do, find the power to control and MODERATE your smoking. Then you will find ZEN :)
 
#139
Deluge Of Sound said:
Yeah, wouldn't expect them to say anything negative about smoking...
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So what? The study was published in American Psychologist, which is the official journal of the American Psychological Association. I just happened to find a copy of it on the tobaccoprc website after seeing many references to it elsewhere. If you're going to argue that the study is biased, at least address the actual author rather than a group that happened to host a copy of the study on its site.
 

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