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Double Bass Fishman Full Circle to replace my K&K Bass Max?

I think I got the concept, but a picture is worth thousand words... even a phone snap of a sketch on a napkin! :)

You're right! (Couldn't find a napkin.)

FC drawing 2.jpg


@DoubleMIDI, you're right, all this would do is prevent damage due to adjusting (to the cable and possibly to the piezo). Normal nominal ongoing tension would be identical to when the FC is used by itself.
 
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You have to hold the FC in place while adjusting height with the other wheel.
But I’m sure you know that.

Since I didn’t need to adjust after I dialed in the FC, I have no idea if a lot of adjusting (which leads to different tension distribution to the crystals while turning) leads to a quicker death of a FC than keeping it in place for a long time.
I’m still pretty sure that an impact on the bridge can damage the crystals a lot more than turning the adjuster, but I have the impression (which might be wrong) that there are more FC deaths in large swing climate zones than in lower swing climate zones.

But maybe I was lucky because I did not much traveling with my bass while I had the FC and always check the bridge to be in correct position. The rather thick bridge might have helped too.

But when I had the chance to get a Yamahiko used, I sold the FC and switched to the Yamahiko.
Sound is a bit different, but not bad. The cable could be removed in case of a classical job (if I ever get one accidentally).

If you ever realize your solution, don’t forget, that you need to shorten the bridge leg by the thickness of the additional adjuster wheel (or a bit more to always have some space between them). And try to get an adjuster disc with (almost) the same diameter as the FC or you might get problems with the grip.

I was misleaded in the first place ecause I thought you would like to take pressure from the FC which was not possible that way.

Nevertheless, your idea might be helpful for some.
 
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... I was misleaded in the first place ecause I thought you would like to take pressure from the FC which was not possible that way. ...

I did misunderstand the design of the FC early in this discussion, since I've never had one in hand. I incorrectly thought the FC wheel turned on a threaded axis like a normal 2-piece adjuster. So my concept has evolved a bit to get to this last point, mostly benefiting from reading over the installation instructions from the Fishman FC website.

Conceptually it would be nice to be able to reduce tension on the piezo in the FC altogether in an effort to extend the piezo life, and that was my original goal. But as you've discussed, and as the installation instructions also discuss, clearly that would also reduce performance. There's no way around a nominal tension requirement with the FC.

Unless I get a wooden bass with a traditional bridge and tailpiece arrangement, I'll probably never try an FC myself, so I really don't currently have a horse in this race... And even then I might opt for the YH instead. But the FC has an interesting design and is well liked here for its performance, so it is interesting to speculate about ways to extend their life.
 
...I have no idea if a lot of adjusting (which leads to different tension distribution to the crystals while turning) leads to a quicker death of a FC than keeping it in place for a long time.

I’m still pretty sure that an impact on the bridge can damage the crystals a lot more than turning the adjuster, but I have the impression (which might be wrong) that there are more FC deaths in large swing climate zones than in lower swing climate zones.

I have no data to support this, but I agree with your theory here, and I believe this is why my FC bit the dust after a couple of years.

Might be wishful thinking but I’d be interested in a pickup that sounds like the FC but can take a bit more abuse.
 
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@armybass The Full Circle seems to have a much more natural representation of the sound than the Bass Max. The Bass Max is more stringy up top (which I always had to roll off a bit with EQ) and more thick and "rubbery" (for lack of a better term) on the bottom end.

In general, my theory of pickups has come to be that there is a spectrum from "under the bass foot/farthest from the strings" to "nearest the bridge crown/furthest from the top" that usually roughly corresponds to a "dark/muffled" sound near the top (i.e. think "Realist") to a "bright/scratchy" sound near the bridge crown (i.e. think "Fishman BP 100"). Pickups like the various bridge wing pickups are in between, but they are usually closer to the crown than to the top, and they also suffer from more variability of pressure on the element since they sound different when you move them.

Pickups like the Full Circle and Yamahiko and Wilson K-1 are closer to the top than the crown, but not so close that they sound muffled and "wooly" like I hear the Realist as being. I think it's probably the ideal spot for a pizz pickup for the kind of sound I'm after.

The one thing that almost all pickups do that I feel has to be mitigated is to excessively amplify the fundamental of the lowest notes. The string length and body size of the double bass acts like a built in acoustic high pass filter for these lowest pitches, so the sound we are accustomed to hearing from an unamplified DB de-emphasizes the fundamental and favors the first partial of the lowest notes. But pickups only sense vibration and don't make this distinction; they simply amplify the frequency they register. For this reason, I think most pickups benefit from a high pass filter.

In my experience, the Full Circle is the pickup that requires the least amount of EQ once the high pass filter is dialed in. For me, using it and the PJB combos that I use, it means that I can set the HP filter and leave the rest set flat, which simplifies things greatly.

Sorry to reply late - but very good points Chris. Also I have used the Full Circle on regular bass amps designed for guitars like a GK 400B and worked decent with no HPF or pre-amp to deal with impedance etc.

If the OP hasn't done so. Get it.
 
Sorry to reply late - but very good points Chris. Also I have used the Full Circle on regular bass amps designed for guitars like a GK 400B and worked decent with no HPF or pre-amp to deal with impedance etc.

If the OP hasn't done so. Get it.

I did and have one on each of my Basses. I’m going to start trying to gig it with my Bergantino B Amp and HDN112.

I also have a Fishman Platinum Stage Preamp but that’s seems to be redundant with the B Amp as the amp already has all my of the same features the preamp has.
 
I’m at my fourth FC. How I wish it had a connector on the adjuster to unscrew (kind of like a dpa mic) that white cable. I believe the yamahiko is like that. I play very often I unamplified and find the cable to be an eyesore at the symphony.
I wrote fishman many times asking them to upgrade the FC with that feature and here we are 20 years later. I don’t think they care. It’s such a small market for them compared to acoustic guitar pickups.
 
I’m at my fourth FC. How I wish it had a connector on the adjuster to unscrew (kind of like a dpa mic) that white cable. I believe the yamahiko is like that. I play very often I unamplified and find the cable to be an eyesore at the symphony.

I've heard that some folks have put black shrink wrap over the cable. Also some folks just used black tape. Not sure if that'll hide it well enough for you, but it's an idea others have used...
 
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I did and have one on each of my Basses. I’m going to start trying to gig it with my Bergantino B Amp and HDN112.

I also have a Fishman Platinum Stage Preamp but that’s seems to be redundant with the B Amp as the amp already has all my of the same features the preamp has.

I suppose it would depend on the input impedance of the Bergantino B Amp. I checked
the owners manual, the B Amp is 1 Meg Ohm while you're Fishman Platinum Stage, provides 10 Meg Ohms at the input. So you'll have to decide which sounds best to you.
 
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