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Dr_Funkdamental said:
Her music also was mainly positive, uplifting, and had SUBSTANCE.
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It is the Was part of her that needs remembered but the end needs to be the lesson. She Was an amazing, uplifting, and an iconic person. She fell from that like so many others. The argument that most have is the fact that the media forgets what she became and focuses on her earlier life. Same with Michael Jackson.
 
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This is a ridiculous hypothetical, but I am responding to an equally ridiculous OP. What if <insert any number of nationally recognized heros here> died of AIDS from his extramarital affair? Would you deny that he was a hero? If you do, shame on you!
 
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nickbass79 said:
It is the Was part of her that needs remembered but the end needs to be the lesson. She Was an amazing, uplifting, and an iconic person. She fell from that like so many others. The argument that most have is the fact that the media forgets what she became and focuses on her earlier life. Same with Michael Jackson.
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Actually I dont think they forget. This thread is proof. Theres plenty of ppl reminding the world of her shortcomings, even before the funeral has even happened. She probably wont get one of these though: Invalid Link Removed
 
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nickbass79 said:
It is the Was part of her that needs remembered but the end needs to be the lesson. She Was an amazing, uplifting, and an iconic person. She fell from that like so many others. The argument that most have is the fact that the media forgets what she became and focuses on her earlier life. Same with Michael Jackson.
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Well put.

I don't think anyone really believes her accomplishments should be completely overshadowed by her problems. We should recognize her accomplishments, which for some of us are pretty profound, including myself. I have several Whitney CDs on the shelf, and as a club DJ back in the day I used to play her music several times a night.

But we're talking about what should be considered a very special form of recognition that some of us feel should be reserved for very special people. Some of the entertainers and other notables mentioned on this thread who have had state and national recognition with rituals of flag lowering and such, I'm not sure they deserved it either. I'm not sure they are truly "national treasures."

And even if you think they are, for their devastating lifestyle choices to be swept under the carpet so we can have a warm fuzzy feel good send-off party is the real issue. Her drug problems and the destruction they caused should be highlighted and used as a warning to others. Instead of the American flag, we should be talking about the red warning flag.

People who sell records, do some charity, and then spend a couple of decades destroying themselves, I'm not sure that qualifies as a national treasure as much as it qualifies as a warning call and negative example. But all we're getting is the warm fuzzy, and lowering the American flag is kinda over the top for many of us.

I watched a VH1 special about Whitney. 99% on her achievements, 1% about how she spent 25 years deteriorating and unable to get clean. Like a footnote, barely worth mentioning.

By lowering the flag and declaring Whitney a national treasure and shining example, we're sending the wrong message.
 
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electracoyote said:
Well put.

I don't think anyone really believes her accomplishments should be completely overshadowed by her problems. We should recognize her accomplishments, which for some of us are pretty profound, including myself. I have several Whitney CDs on the shelf, and as a club DJ back in the day I used to play her music several times a night.

But we're talking about what should be considered a very special form of recognition that some of us feel should be reserved for very special people. Some of the entertainers and other notables mentioned on this thread who have had state and national recognition with rituals of flag lowering and such, I'm not sure they deserved it either. I'm not sure they are truly "national treasures."

And even if you think they are, for their devastating lifestyle choices to be swept under the carpet so we can have a warm fuzzy feel good send-off party is the the real issue. Her drug problems and the destruction they caused should be highlighted and used as a warning to others. Instead of the American flag, we should be talking about the red warning flag.

People who sell records, do some charity, and then spend a couple of decades destroying themselves, I'm not sure that qualifies as a national treasure as much as it qualifies as a warning call and negative example. But all we're getting is the warm fuzzy, and flag lowering is kinda over the top for many of us.

I watched a VH1 special about Whitney. 99% on her achievements, 1% about how she spent 25 years deteriorating and unable to get clean.

By declaring Whitney a national treasure and shining example, we're sending the wrong message.
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+1

A red flag should be raised. They shouldn't lower a red, white and blue one.

Very well said, electracoyote!
 
#107
nickbass79 said:
This is what I was saying about Michael Jackson, except I didn't mention his name earlier. He was Wacko Jacko for YEARS. Called a pervert, pedophile, nut job, child dangling fruit loop. Granted, he had a lot of hits, pioneered pop music and was very popular in his younger years, but ALL was forgotten after he passed. The media painted a picture of a loving, stable father. It's the same with Whitney.

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This happens all the time!

Look at amy winehouse! The past few years all you heard about her was scandals about her assaulting photographers, cancelling gigs because she was to effed up to sing, taken in picture doing crack in a dodgy dark alleyway etc!

She dies at 27 and all of a sudden it's all forgotten, people compare her to janice joplin and jim morrison and they print t shirts with her and kurt cobain holding hands!

It's ridiculous!
 
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Thrust Meatnozl said:
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I wonder how would your love ones feel if some body literally took a dunk on your grave site?
 
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