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#121
onosson said:
+1

But I think that Americans generally have a bit of a different feeling about flags.
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Yes. And that's a luxury that a large proportion of the people in the world would find completely incomprehensible.

I guess what I'm saying is that people who are overly concerned about where the flag is this week should count themselves damn fortunate that they don't have any more serious or urgent stuff in their lives to worry about.
 
#124
Woah woah woah...it's not being suggested that Whitney doesn't deserve to be remembered fondly for her accomplishments. She absolutely does.

It's just this one particular aspect of the "rememberance" that's being called into question.

And all you people who think the American Flag is just a piece of cloth, bright colors, thread, and nothing more, well, you're on a philisophical plane to which I can not possibly relate. So flail away if it makes you feel better.
 
#125
I think more people might get the idea about flags being unimportant if they lived in, say, sub-Saharan Africa. Considering flags of vital importance is a luxury the people who live there simply don't have.

All I'm saying is let's keep things like this in perspective. Flags are symbolic and as such they mean different things to different people. But that's it. Other things matter more. Flags really are not worth getting bent out of shape over - or at least, they're only worth that to people who have no more urgent issues to worry about.
 
#126
bassybill said:
I think more people might get the idea about flags being unimportant if they lived in, say, sub-Saharan Africa. Considering flags of vital importance is a luxury the people who live there simply don't have.

All I'm saying is let's keep things like this in perspective. Flags are symbolic and as such they mean different things to different people. But that's it. Other things matter more. Flags really are not worth getting bent out of shape over - or at least, they're only worth that to people who have no more urgent issues to worry about.
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Maintaining what the flag stands for is of vital importance, even an urgent importance, to some people. Ergo, the flag itself retains the same urgent importance, to some people.
 
#128
bassybill said:
Well, like I said - lucky them, eh?
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I'm not sure what "luck" has to do with it. Maintaining a standard is a lot of hard work for a lot of people. I think without symbolic reminders like flags and such, some of us would be in a world of crap, yes. And I think some places on earth that are in a world of crap would do well to have a solid constitution and belief system, and a flag to remind them of the sacrifices that are neccesary.
 
#129
I understand all that, of course. But I still think it would seem very unworldly to a lot of people who have much more urgent daily concerns than how high up a pole their flag is. And I'm sure that's understandable for any of us who are fortunate enough not to be in that situation.
 
#130
I don't think WH should have the same respect given to her that people who TRULY served the country receive. Remembered for her accomplishments, yes. But, so many Americans haven't lost a loved one in combat for example, so it is easy for them to forget the strife it took to establish that "piece of cloth" as the symbol it is. Un-patriotism is a spreading disease this country is dealing with, because these standards aren't upheld, like when to lower the flag and for whom.

This is just one example, and it is very understandable why people have a sour taste when celebrities, who fell from being a role model, are honored like this
 
#131
bassybill said:
I understand all that, of course. But I still think it would seem very unworldly to a lot of people who have much more urgent daily concerns than how high up a pole their flag is. And I'm sure that's understandable for any of us who are fortunate enough not to be in that situation.
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That's fair. I suppose we are relatively fortunate that we don't have some of the problems other countries have, but we worked very hard to avoid or overcome those, hard work and sacrifice which should not be discounted, and we still have a few rivers to cross.

You kinda opened my eyes to a good point though:

The relevancy you place on the American Flag and the principles for which it stands would definitely influence your feelings about it being used to honor the Whitney Houstons of the world.
 
#132
nickbass79 said:
I don't think WH should have the same respect given to her that people who TRULY served the country receive. Remembered for her accomplishments, yes. But, so many Americans haven't lost a loved one in combat for example, so it is easy for them to forget the strife it took to establish that "piece of cloth" as the symbol it is. Un-patriotism is a spreading disease this country is dealing with, because these standards aren't upheld, like when to lower the flag and for who.

This is just one example, and it is very understandable why people have a sour taste when celebrities, who fell from being a role model, are honored like this
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Truth.
 
#133
nickbass79 said:
I don't think WH should have the same respect given to her that people who TRULY served the country receive. Remembered for her accomplishments, yes. But, so many Americans haven't lost a loved one in combat for example, so it is easy for them to forget the strife it took to establish that "piece of cloth" as the symbol it is. Un-patriotism is a spreading disease this country is dealing with, because these standards aren't upheld, like when to lower the flag and for whom.

This is just one example, and it is very understandable why people have a sour taste when celebrities, who fell from being a role model, are honored like this
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When it's all said and done, I think one has to look at the total life of the person which includes any and all humanitarian work the person has done.
 
#134
I would still like to point out the importance of the original catalyst of all this, which is the governor's decision. Also, yes, there are probably thousands of ppl over the yrs who possibly deserved an honor like this, but noone in authority at their time chose to make that decision. Reminds me of deployment. There were some guys who got hurt, saw combat, and didnt receive just honors because it wasnt put in or handled right. Then there were others whos instances didnt come close, but the ppl that wanted it to happen MADE it happen. I dont think the decision to honor WH in this fashion is much a disrespect to others more deserving, but maybe shows that ppl in authority during those "others" deaths should have maybe done more (if they even thought to). Just something to think about.
 
#135
Dr_Funkdamental said:
I would still like to point out the importance of the original catalyst of all this, which is the governor's decision. Also, yes, there are probably thousands of ppl over the yrs who possibly deserved an honor like this, but noone in authority at their time chose to make that decision. Reminds me of deployment. There were some guys who got hurt, saw combat, and didnt receive just honors because it wasnt put in or handled right. Then there were others whos instances didnt come close, but the ppl that wanted it to happen MADE it happen. I dont think the decision to honor WH in this fashion is much a disrespect to others more deserving, but maybe shows that ppl in authority during those "others" deaths should have maybe done more (if they even thought to). Just something to think about.
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Well said.
 
#136
really is a shame what whitney did to herself. had money, fame, and she just pissed it all away on her substance abuse. She had an amazing voice too. Why does it seem like the ppl with the most talent always end up dying like this? Jim Morrison, Janis Joplin, Jimi Hendrix, John Entwistle, Amy Winehouse, the list goes on! Why do people take drugs if they know it will lead to their demise?
 
#137
To all the haters.

Whitney Houston was one of the greatest singers ever.

She was loved by the people of New Jersey. So if the Governor of N.J. decides to honor her memory, so be it. She deserved it.

Was she perfect? no, she wasn't. Did she do amazing things with the gifts she was bestowed with? Yes she did.

And by God I've never heard anyone ever even come close to her rendition of the National Anthem.

That is how I will always remember her.
 
#138
Mousekillaz said:
To all the haters.

Whitney Houston was one of the greatest singers ever.

She was loved by the people of New Jersey. So if the Governor of N.J. decides to honor her memory, so be it. She deserved it.

Was she perfect? no, she wasn't. Did she do amazing things with the gifts she was bestowed with? Yes she did.

And by God I've never heard anyone ever even come close to her rendition of the National Anthem.

That is how I will always remember her.
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I haven't seen anyone post anything hating WH. In fact, we all have stated she WAS an amazing performer.
 
#140
nickbass79 said:
I don't think WH should have the same respect given to her that people who TRULY served the country receive. Remembered for her accomplishments, yes. But, so many Americans haven't lost a loved one in combat for example, so it is easy for them to forget the strife it took to establish that "piece of cloth" as the symbol it is. Un-patriotism is a spreading disease this country is dealing with, because these standards aren't upheld, like when to lower the flag and for whom.

This is just one example, and it is very understandable why people have a sour taste when celebrities, who fell from being a role model, are honored like this
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So the only way to "TRULY" serve your country is to be a soldier or a politician? **** that. War sucks. Your sentiment really pisses me off. I've got to quit following this thread or I'm going to type something I regret...I haven't so far.

You know what they say about the last bastion of a scoundrel, right?

...I just might go deface a flag in your honor tonight.
 
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