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Flats with punch?

When they're fresh, Roto 77's are very bright and Very punchy.

EB Cobalt flats are bright and punchy as well and are much more flexible than the Roto's. IME, their fresh sting zing also lasts a good deal longer.

The Cobalts are likely my favorite flat at this point.
How would the Cobalts compare with the EB "Group" flats in that respect?
 
The group flats are more old school thump. Very nice strings, just much different than the Cobalt flats. A little higher tension, and when broken in, more thump.

My P bass is currently wearing the EB Group IV (40-95) Stainless Steel Flats. I wouldn't describe them as "thumpy" or "thuddy"; they're smooth and mellow with good punch and definition.
 
Roto 77s are BY FAR the most punchy flats I can think of. They're slightly low output (monel) but that's what volume knobs on amps are for. Tonally I can't think of any punchier flats. Gorgeous mids!

That's the good news... now for the bad news:

Roto 77s are quite bright out of the box, almost like roundwounds. This isn't necessarily a bad thing (in fact they sound GREAT out of the box). But then they start to mellow out... During this stage you will struggle with a tonally unbalanced set for MONTHS (or longer if you don't keep playing them regularly). The D+G-strings mellow out quite fast but the E+A-strings stay bright a VERY long time.

Once they're broken in they sound amazing though (although I can see a lot of people preferring their brighter, fresh "out of the box"-tone).

So basically, they sound great for a couple of weeks (but almost as bright as roundwounds), then they're AWFUL for at least a couple of months and THEN, when they've finally mellowed out they sound great for a long time before they go completely dead. They don't really last forever and sound great for decades like LaBellas but you should get at least a couple of years out of them.

It's very important to do a full setup with Roto 77s. They're quite stiff but this means they will be buzz-free with a lower action and less relief than most other strings. If you play them with the same action/relief you use for other strings they can be extremely hard on the fingers. Of course they are available in lighter gauges but I find that anything lighter than 45-105 doesn't sound quite as punchy with the 77s.
 
Roto 77s are BY FAR the most punchy flats I can think of. They're slightly low output (monel) but that's what volume knobs on amps are for. Tonally I can't think of any punchier flats. Gorgeous mids!

That's the good news... now for the bad news:

Roto 77s are quite bright out of the box, almost like roundwounds. This isn't necessarily a bad thing (in fact they sound GREAT out of the box). But then they start to mellow out... During this stage you will struggle with a tonally unbalanced set for MONTHS (or longer if you don't keep playing them regularly). The D+G-strings mellow out quite fast but the E+A-strings stay bright a VERY long time.

Once they're broken in they sound amazing though (although I can see a lot of people preferring their brighter, fresh "out of the box"-tone).

So basically, they sound great for a couple of weeks (but almost as bright as roundwounds), then they're AWFUL for at least a couple of months and THEN, when they've finally mellowed out they sound great for a long time before they go completely dead. They don't really last forever and sound great for decades like LaBellas but you should get at least a couple of years out of them.

It's very important to do a full setup with Roto 77s. They're quite stiff but this means they will be buzz-free with a lower action and less relief than most other strings. If you play them with the same action/relief you use for other strings they can be extremely hard on the fingers. Of course they are available in lighter gauges but I find that anything lighter than 45-105 doesn't sound quite as punchy with the 77s.

@micguy

With "punch" I suppose I mean low mids with a "thickness" to their tone, no "puffy" sound. For example, I find the Dunnlop flats as well as the Fender 9050s to have lows and low mids but not much "thickness". Sorry for not being more objective with the use of adjectives...

Good to hear about the Rotos being very punchy. The tension of the Roto 77 45-105 set shouldn't be an issue, I play 9050Ms at the moment and find them quite agreeable tension-wise.
 
@micguy

With "punch" I suppose I mean low mids with a "thickness" to their tone, no "puffy" sound. For example, I find the Dunnlop flats as well as the Fender 9050s to have lows and low mids but not much "thickness". Sorry for not being more objective with the use of adjectives...

Good to hear about the Rotos being very punchy. The tension of the Roto 77 45-105 set shouldn't be an issue, I play 9050Ms at the moment and find them quite agreeable tension-wise.
While you may not like the music, listen to some early Iron Maiden, especially the Killers album, those are Roto's in all their glory.

Everyone's definition of punchy will be different, that's mine...

To me, smooth and mellow, is not punchy. YMMV
 
Coldcock 58-112 flats. Proper.

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