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Fodera Club Part V

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Typo! Will be fixed later this morning along with a fresh batch of newborns being added!! When we first came up with the idea for Newborns we started taking pictures of every bass that we completed, but it took us a lot longer to get the site up and running and so I have many, many great basses to post!!

BTW, a "double cut Imperial" would = a Monarch...the Monarch and Imperial share a symmetrical body shape while the Emperor and Emperor II have an offset body...

Cheers and thanks for the catch!

Bassconbeatz said:
Wow! The site is great. Check this out. Is that a double cut Imperial or is it a typo? Congrats on the new site :)

http://www.fodera.com/Main/NewBornDetails.aspx?FeaturedItemID=6
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thepontif said:
I don't remember. I designed it on paper, built it and tweaked by ear, and never recalculated those figures. I guess I can do that but I don't know if Jason wants me to. J?
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Just Thumpin' said:
Actually, no...just like so many of the decisions that we make for the instruments, the preamp was designed by listening to what sounded best...in this day of information overload and everything being reduced to numbers, we love the fact that much of what goes on here at Fodera is not quantified and analytical...
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That makes sense. I look forward to sitting down with it and trying different configurations!
 
#165
I don't know if I really buy the "we're proud that we aren't analytical" statement as a positive- but at least in the case of the preamp, people will probably not be helped much by the center frequencies because the number itself doesn't mean much in terms of the final change in sound.

That, and if Mike gave the numbers, you'd have a bunch of people very quickly asking for 10000 other configurations at their preferred center frequencies. Don't give them the numbers, and they'll probably think it is just fine as is. Sometimes a little bit of information is dangerous!
 
#166
Random... sort of question.

I like the true single coil sound, but the dual coil look. Is it possible to order that config? Basically a dummy set of pole pieces or something.

I thought I read somewhere that it was possible to basically do dummy coils, but I am not sure if that is what I am looking for.
 
#167
chris.gotfunk said:
Random... sort of question.

I like the true single coil sound, but the dual coil look. Is it possible to order that config? Basically a dummy set of pole pieces or something.

I thought I read somewhere that it was possible to basically do dummy coils, but I am not sure if that is what I am looking for.
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Why not just sit a singlecoil into a doublecoil housing?
Should be real easy to do.
 
#169
The reality is that instruments are about sound and playability...numbers can be a very dangerous distraction if you are trying to find the very best sound as they (numbers) necessarily put you into a different state of thinking. Rather than doing critical listening (which is incredibly time consuming and often very hard), you can get bogged down in comparing one number to another -- the numbers just simply do not matter...tone trumps all. IMHO.

Angus said:
I don't know if I really buy the "we're proud that we aren't analytical" statement as a positive- but at least in the case of the preamp, people will probably not be helped much by the center frequencies because the number itself doesn't mean much in terms of the final change in sound.
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chris.gotfunk said:
Yes, but looking for the exposed coil look as well. So.. I would need some dummy pole pieces..
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Not speaking from Fodera's perspective, but from a generic one, yes that's totally doable. And it would have absolutely no effect on the sound provided the pole pieces were non magnetic and there was no coil wrapped around them. Just a single coil and then just the flatwork and non-magnetized slugs of a second single coil PU stuck to it. No technical reason that can't be done.

For more specifics, you'd have to ask Jason if they're willing to make a custom set or not. I'm guessing they would, but I'm not speaking for them.
 
#173
thepontif said:
Not speaking from Fodera's perspective, but from a generic one, yes that's totally doable. And it would have absolutely no effect on the sound provided the pole pieces were non magnetic and there was no coil wrapped around them. Just a single coil and then just the flatwork and non-magnetized slugs of a second single coil PU stuck to it. No technical reason that can't be done.

For more specifics, you'd have to ask Jason if they're willing to make a custom set or not. I'm guessing they would, but I'm not speaking for them.
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Somewhere I saw a picture of a Fodera with a single coil in each dual coil shell...I think the inside pickups were there as single coils, the outside coils were not (just wood). This might provide the ability to flip the cover around depending on whether you want a 60's/70's bridge sound, though not as well as your new system Mike!
 
#174
cnltb said:
But are numbers not just another way to communicate what is being heard-Or at least should they not be used as that in case they are used...?
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Yes and no. The problem is that, no matter what you'd like to think, if you tell someone that a bass control is set at a particular frequency, they will tend to believe that it sounds the same as any other bass control set to that frequency and in practice it doesn't work that way. There are subjective (and even objective...slopes and bandwidth, etc) differences between two pieces of gear with the same frequency centers.

Plus, the specs of the individual controls only contribute to the behavior of the "whole" preamp. They are electrically isolated in this design, but sonically they certainly interact with one another. In then end, you wind up having to listen in order know what it sounds like.

Numbers are a guideline for sure. But realistically, you should be able to guess that the bass control is probably between 40Hz and 200Hz, right? And you have a choice of two frequencies, right? So figure than one will be lower than the other by an amount that's noticable or it wouldn't be worth changing, right? So one is probably fatter sounding, and one is probably deeper sounding. IMO that's all you really need to know.

If I'm trying to get a bad ring out of a snare drum in my studio, I need a Q of 100 and I need to nail the frequency within a handful of cycles. But I still have to use my ears to find it.
 
#175
We can and would...

thepontif said:
Not speaking from Fodera's perspective, but from a generic one, yes that's totally doable. And it would have absolutely no effect on the sound provided the pole pieces were non magnetic and there was no coil wrapped around them. Just a single coil and then just the flatwork and non-magnetized slugs of a second single coil PU stuck to it. No technical reason that can't be done.

For more specifics, you'd have to ask Jason if they're willing to make a custom set or not. I'm guessing they would, but I'm not speaking for them.
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#178
I can dig it. I was mainly asking because I don't have the bass yet so I can't do some comparative listening right now. The prospect of being able to select different bandwidths is exciting so my GAS is creeping in. But I look forward to sitting with it for several hours and trying different configurations. I'm guessing that since you designed it to be adjusted with jumpers that it shouldn't be a problem for the owner to play with the settings?


thepontif said:
Yes and no. The problem is that, no matter what you'd like to think, if you tell someone that a bass control is set at a particular frequency, they will tend to believe that it sounds the same as any other bass control set to that frequency and in practice it doesn't work that way. There are subjective (and even objective...slopes and bandwidth, etc) differences between two pieces of gear with the same frequency centers.

Plus, the specs of the individual controls only contribute to the behavior of the "whole" preamp. They are electrically isolated in this design, but sonically they certainly interact with one another. In then end, you wind up having to listen in order know what it sounds like.

Numbers are a guideline for sure. But realistically, you should be able to guess that the bass control is probably between 40Hz and 200Hz, right? And you have a choice of two frequencies, right? So figure than one will be lower than the other by an amount that's noticable or it wouldn't be worth changing, right? So one is probably fatter sounding, and one is probably deeper sounding. IMO that's all you really need to know.

If I'm trying to get a bad ring out of a snare drum in my studio, I need a Q of 100 and I need to nail the frequency within a handful of cycles. But I still have to use my ears to find it.
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#179
Rich Treat said:
I can dig it. I was mainly asking because I don't have the bass yet so I can't do some comparative listening right now. The prospect of being able to select different bandwidths is exciting so my GAS is creeping in. But I look forward to sitting with it for several hours and trying different configurations. I'm guessing that since you designed it to be adjusted with jumpers that it shouldn't be a problem for the owner to play with the settings?
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The anticipation must be crazy right now! Can't wait to see that bass.
 
#180
Just confirmed...

September 6-11, 2011

Fodera-only Bass Nature Camp at Wooten Woods!

Lots more details to come, but wanted the TB crowd to hear about it first...

To register you will need to either be an existing Fodera owner or have a Fodera on order prior to registering.

This should be an AMAZING week...
 
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