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Fodera Club Part XVIII

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In response to Phishaholik's posts, I'd just like to chime in about the cost to send the bass back to Fodera. It sounds like his overall expense to have it looked at might run him $250ish, considering the cost for the work and the shipping costs. Relatively speaking, spending $250 to address problems with a very expensive bass sounds like a no-brainer. However, I'm rapidly learning, based on personal circumstances, that $250 is not a small sum of money, particularly if you don't have it! This is not meant to be a comment on any of the posts made here thus far, but simply to note that when the economy stinks, and you might be one of those folks who must live from paycheck to paycheck through no fault of their own, the seemingly 'small' $250 cost can be a considerable barrier.

I don't even know why I'm posting this, other than to make a point that up until the very recent past, I'd have said, heck, it's ONLY $250, what's the big deal? I feel very much differently today.
 
In response to Phishaholik's posts, I'd just like to chime in about the cost to send the bass back to Fodera. It sounds like his overall expense to have it looked at might run him $250ish, considering the cost for the work and the shipping costs. Relatively speaking, spending $250 to address problems with a very expensive bass sounds like a no-brainer. However, I'm rapidly learning, based on personal circumstances, that $250 is not a small sum of money, particularly if you don't have it! This is not meant to be a comment on any of the posts made here thus far, but simply to note that when the economy stinks, and you might be one of those folks who must live from paycheck to paycheck through no fault of their own, the seemingly 'small' $250 cost can be a considerable barrier.

I don't even know why I'm posting this, other than to make a point that up until the very recent past, I'd have said, heck, it's ONLY $250, what's the big deal? I feel very much differently today.

But, compare that to the cost of another set of pups? Maybe relatively cheap fix. But I agree, overall a bit of a gamble if you don't have the $$$
 
Cool! Can't wait to see a pic when it is completed.

Not many builders would talk a customer out of an expensive option like inlays, but if it will add to the overall look of the bass, it seems Fodera does this regularly.

I agree. I think that they (Jason, really) honestly suggest things that are the best for YOU and the instrument. It is pretty amazing that that's how they work, in this world where it seems almost everyone is just 'in it' to pad their own wallet (sorta like our politicians). Oops, did I really just say that???

Hopefully my bass will be completed on time, (again, depending on my circumstances) and pictures shall be posted!!!
 
I saw that as well. Absolutely beautiful. I love the tone woods and EMGs as well. If that was a 6 string w/ a maple neck instead of ash, and was available... I just might have to pull a nostatic. :-P

Hmmm. I was thinking that it it were ME, I'd rather have the ash neck. My in-progress bass has a 5 piece maple neck, with stringers, but I really like the look of ash better. I love the grain. But, and I'm not sure why, ash is about double the price. I would think that in terms of availability, maple and ash are about the same (could be way wrong about that), thus the cost should be about equal. Obviously, I don't have the picture straight!
 
I don't know man, if someone is to own a boutique bass worth about 10k or more, $250 shouldn't be an issue. For example, headlights on an Audi cost about $800 a pop. You shouldn't buy an Audi if you can't afford to repair a headlight. I understand we all have different financial situations, but if ima buy a bass for 10k, I shouldn't have to worry about paying for repairs.


In response to Phishaholik's posts, I'd just like to chime in about the cost to send the bass back to Fodera. It sounds like his overall expense to have it looked at might run him $250ish, considering the cost for the work and the shipping costs. Relatively speaking, spending $250 to address problems with a very expensive bass sounds like a no-brainer. However, I'm rapidly learning, based on personal circumstances, that $250 is not a small sum of money, particularly if you don't have it! This is not meant to be a comment on any of the posts made here thus far, but simply to note that when the economy stinks, and you might be one of those folks who must live from paycheck to paycheck through no fault of their own, the seemingly 'small' $250 cost can be a considerable barrier.

I don't even know why I'm posting this, other than to make a point that up until the very recent past, I'd have said, heck, it's ONLY $250, what's the big deal? I feel very much differently today.
 
I would think that in terms of availability, maple and ash are about the same (could be way wrong about that), thus the cost should be about equal. Obviously, I don't have the picture straight!

i may be out of line on this, but i think it may have more to do with finding a piece (or pieces) of ash that will be suitable for neck contruction, considering it is going to be under stress and needs to be stable and straight grained, compared to just using it as a body wood. also some food for thought, how many ash-necked basses do you see compared to maple-necked?
 
I have an ash neck on the fretless that is being built. The fretted is getting 5-piece maple.

As for cost, I believe that Phishaholik bought used so he has considerably less money into the bass. For a lot of people an unexpected $250 is tough so I understand that issue. But I also look at it as a long term investment. If that bass is "the one", then might be worth trying to sort it. Depends on the details and people's budgets...
 
again, if it's not a problem with the pickups and he likes the sound, which is easily (imho) found out, then send it to fodera and they can suss out the pickup/pre issue.

if it is a problem with the pickups and he doesn't do it on his own, it's gonna cost him $250 to have someone else tell him what he could figured in out in 15 minutes on his own. and it doesn't really help him out as much, imho, as then he has to make decisions about pickups again.

a side benefit is learning how the bass works better!

i have basses that are "the one" that i've done my own work on (of course, i'm not carving necks or anything).

did you guys never tinker with fenders and so forth and learn how to do this back in your younger days? dunno, maybe i'm just an idiot about this . . .

and frankly, the electronics on this thing are not as crucial in a structural and long-term basis as isthe wood/construction/vinny's badass neck. (imho, the electronics are the least important thing about a fodera—in 20 years the electronics will be obsolete/out of style, but that fodera craftsmanship will still be shining through).

i think there's nothing to lose by testing the pickup to see if it works.
 
2 reasons:

1. Finding quality, neck-grade Northern Ash these days is MUCH harder than finding Hard Maple.

2. Ash is far more porous and since we do not use any kind of filler during the finish of our instruments (for both tonal and aesthetic reasons), it requires a ton more sanding / finishing time to obtain a quality finish.

Hope that helps!!

Jason



I'm not sure why, ash is about double the price. I would think that in terms of availability, maple and ash are about the same (could be way wrong about that), thus the cost should be about equal. Obviously, I don't have the picture straight!
 
again, if it's not a problem with the pickups and he likes the sound, which is easily (imho) found out, then send it to fodera and they can suss out the pickup/pre issue.

if it is a problem with the pickups and he doesn't do it on his own, it's gonna cost him $250 to have someone else tell him what he could figured in out in 15 minutes on his own. and it doesn't really help him out as much, imho, as then he has to make decisions about pickups again.

a side benefit is learning how the bass works better!

i have basses that are "the one" that i've done my own work on (of course, i'm not carving necks or anything).

did you guys never tinker with fenders and so forth and learn how to do this back in your younger days? dunno, maybe i'm just an idiot about this . . .

and frankly, the electronics on this thing are not as crucial in a structural and long-term basis as isthe wood/construction/vinny's badass neck. (imho, the electronics are the least important thing about a fodera—in 20 years the electronics will be obsolete/out of style, but that fodera craftsmanship will still be shining through).

i think there's nothing to lose by testing the pickup to see if it works.

Agreed. Test out the pickups. And assuming what a used instrument cost was equal to its value is a leap. And what people should be able to afford.

I know a couple of local guys who could suss this out but they have work stacked up. But they aren't required for something like isolating a pickup.
 
Well my new bass arrived, and I will start by saying thank you to everyone at Fodera for the incredible work that they do! I have owned a lot of high end basses in my day, including four other Fodera, but this bass is by far the best feeling, sounding and playing bass I have ever had the luxury of laying my hands on! Fodera has truly made a huge impact on the music world and make the best basses that I have ever played! Thank you to Jason, Vinnie, Joey and to everyone else at Fodera for creating such exceptional instruments and providing such wonderful customer service!
 
Sorry guys, I haven't been near a computer for a couple days. I got two kids with the flu and I'm trying to remodel my bathroom after work every day. I really, really appreciate all the help and advice!


Michael --

Perhaps I didn't explain what I meant well. I am referring to being fair to the instrument. It is impossible for any of us to know / understand what has been done inside of the cavity of your bass without having it in front of us. It is also impossible for us to know whether or not there is a flaw in the pickups that you purchased, whether or not they are compatible with one another and/or the preamp and what the sound that you are hearing is.

Our minimum service charge is just $75 and it's doubtful that any issue you are having (unless one of the pickups is flawed) would cost more than $150 for us to fix properly -- or to tell you definitively that there is a problem that we cannot fix.

To me, with the level of instrument that you have chosen (and very big thanks for the kind words about your Monarch), it just doesn't make sense to continue your struggle when help is so easily available. Sadly, we are just not in a position to provide quality tech support on an instrument that has been modified with non-Fodera parts by someone not familiar with working on our instruments without seeing what is going on in person.

Please do not take this feedback as being meant than anything other than trying to help you get to the bottom of this problem that you have been experiencing for many weeks now as quickly as possible and with the highest probability of success.

And, again, if you ever try to get through to Joey and cannot, I have provided you my personal cell phone number...

Kindest regards,

Jason


Thanks Jason, I really appreciate the help and advice. It's also very cool of you to give me your personal cell phone number.

I honestly don't really want to ship the bass. It'll add another $120 to $150 to any fees I incur from you guys working on the bass. Also, like you said, I wouldn't want to have a mechanic on the phone to diagnose my problems, I wouldn't want to try to describe my tonal goals over the phone and work out trying to get the tone I want over distance. I really, really want to come in to get the work done myself. On top of that, if the bass is going in I want to have it pleked. The bass has been played A LOT. While I have the action as low as the bridge will go now and the neck straight as an arrow with no buzz at all, even when I dig in with med. light strings, I would like for it to be perfect again.

I'm definitely going to bring the bass in at some point. I'm just trying to get it good enough until I have the opportunity. I was actually planning on coming up last December when I had tickets to see Leonard Cohen, but we had to scrap that trip unfortunately.

I hear you. Waiting until you have the $$$ sucks in a case like this, but it might be worth the wait.

I think someone recommended wiring the bass passive as a temporary fix. Might be worth a try if you are comfortable doing so.

Good luck!:bassist:

Yeah, it has been a bit of pain trying to do this on the cheap. I'm one of those "my bass is more expensive than my car" kind of people. My Fodera is the one nice thing I allow myself and is definitely my favourite object I own.

I'm definitely going to try the pickups wired straight to the jack and see what I get.

Thanks!

indeed. even easier. probably still best to disconnect the pre. hell you could just wire the p/up to a different 1/4-inch jack and leave it hanging while you experiment.

Thanks for the idea! I'm definitely going to try it. Can I just wire both pickups to the jack at the same time? I take it that would be in parallel?

Hi.
One quick thought:
Have you shuffled the p-pickup the right way around? There must be 4 combinations of twisting and turning both pickups around, but only one correct?!?
Underneath the pickup there will be a stamp for magnetic polarization.
I did wrong on a Spector once. I had the split bridge pickup the wrong way and the p-pickup kinda upside down.

Does that matter? I've never heard that it matters which direction the pickup is facing. I always thought it would sound the same both ways.


In response to Phishaholik's posts, I'd just like to chime in about the cost to send the bass back to Fodera. It sounds like his overall expense to have it looked at might run him $250ish, considering the cost for the work and the shipping costs. Relatively speaking, spending $250 to address problems with a very expensive bass sounds like a no-brainer. However, I'm rapidly learning, based on personal circumstances, that $250 is not a small sum of money, particularly if you don't have it! This is not meant to be a comment on any of the posts made here thus far, but simply to note that when the economy stinks, and you might be one of those folks who must live from paycheck to paycheck through no fault of their own, the seemingly 'small' $250 cost can be a considerable barrier.

I don't even know why I'm posting this, other than to make a point that up until the very recent past, I'd have said, heck, it's ONLY $250, what's the big deal? I feel very much differently today.


That's exactly where I'm at now. Living in Northern Virginia, we are incredibly impacted by all the ineptitude going on in DC. The entire area if full of federal government employees. For example, when the sequester hit, thousands of people were either laid off or lost hours at work. That trickles down to our entire local economy. Five years ago, if you wanted a $50k a year job it was there for the taking. Now, I'm living paycheck to paycheck. Also, being a suburb of DC, we have one of the highest costs of living in the country. To send it in to Fodera, I either have to sell some gear or hopefully have enough left over from my tax returns.



I also forgot to quote it, but for the TBer that said if you own a 10k bass, you should be able to afford to repair it. My bass didn't cost anything close to 10k. We're talking more like a third of that.


And one more time, thanks for all the help and ideas! I tried turning the gain down on the preamp so it was close to parity with the pickups in passive mode. I isolated the batteries with electrical tape, just so I could take that variable out of the equation, and took Jason's advice of tightening all of the tuning keys. They were all loose. The tone is definitely better, but still muddy.

It's very possible the pickups are a bad match-up with each other. Since the bridge pickup is overwound, it has deeper lows and less highs. The D.Allen is also known to have deeper lows than most pickups. I think the combo is just giving me mud. Although, that wouldn't explain why the P pickup alone sounds so muddy.




Michael
 
It's very possible the pickups are a bad match-up with each other. Since the bridge pickup is overwound, it has deeper lows and less highs. The D.Allen is also known to have deeper lows than most pickups. I think the combo is just giving me mud. Although, that wouldn't explain why the P pickup alone sounds so muddy.




Michael

I bet it's the pickups at some level since you've eliminated so many other variables. That's not a bad thing; you might just have to try some other things out, and I bet Fodera would be good people to talk with about some other options.

I would personally be looking into a Nord P or Lindy P for a p pickup.
 
I bet it's the pickups at some level since you've eliminated so many other variables. That's not a bad thing; you might just have to try some other things out, and I bet Fodera would be good people to talk with about some other options.

I would personally be looking into a Nord P or Lindy P for a p pickup.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. I've heard so many times that you should use pickups that were designed to go together when using a PJ setup. Lollar and Fralin were my original choices.



Just for s$*ts and giggles, I took a couple of pics of the electronics cavity in case there was something glaringly wrong.


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Michael
 
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