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Fodera Club Part XXV

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Yes, for me, it was definitely an "aha, this is what I've been missing out on". I've only been a Fodera owner for about two months, and I sold off all the other basses I own. I also realized that buying a Fodera Standard is actually a lot cheaper for me than continuously riding the bass carousel, taking losses here and there (they add up quicker than you might think when you really look back).

I agree on this - It's cheaper to own a Lexus over 10 years than it is to own 5 cheap cars. The repairs will far exceed the cost of a luxury car over the years.

I am tired of the merry go round. I have found that my comfort zone is a 12" radius, 24 fret bass. Hence, I love my Peavey Cirrus, and Ibanez Prestige basses. They are as boutique as any I've played. I also love my Alembic, but the neck size is too Fender-ish, so I keep going back to the Cirrus.

I hear some guys comparing Fodera to Fender. I don't see how that's fair, considering that's like Rolls Royce to VW. Are you referring to neck radius of 7" or so ? Again, to quote the wise man here, "words are dangerous".

I guess I just need to try a Fodera someday and decide for myself.
 
I had briefly tried (in shops) a few Foderas many years back. An NYC model that made me say, "meh" and a custom that was big, heavy, and wasn't set up to my liking. When the Yin Yang Standard was announced I was interested (I love a PJ setup) but was highly skeptical, mostly due to what I considered at the time to be a really high price. I was playing Zons (bought in 2000 for $2500) and had gone through Sadowsky Metro, Nordy, etc that were all in that price range so $4750 was "crazy" money to me.

I asked a few questions here but remained skeptical. At some point a local shop got one in and still I resisted. Finally I decided to go check it out since the shop was on the way to a rehearsal. I went in really wanting to not like it and be underwhelmed. I played it for about 20 minutes, then had to leave to make rehearsal.

The next morning I was at the shop when they opened and bought it. That was my "gateway drug" and after a number of gigs I decided to order a custom and lucked into a bass destined for NAMM 2012. That bass has ended up being one of those special instruments that just speaks to me on every level.

They are not for everyone. But if they are for you, then end up being part of your musical soul.

My baby on the bench getting ready for NAMM:

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An instrument won't give you talent if you have none, to your point about having music in you. We agree on that, BUT...

I've OFTEN found it the case that an instrument that just gets that sound you crave, and that feel you love, will inspire the best in me to come out, make me want to play/practice more often and get more out of it.

. . . .

IMHO/IME, the artist/instrument relationship is such a huge personal thing, and to the passionate artist, even if they're not famous, price should be dictated by whatever it's worth to that specific person to get what truly speaks to them, and not worry about if that works for someone else or not.

i think there is a lot of wisdom in these words.

to the question of having bought a fodera without having played one. i'd say "almost." back in 1985 (sorta before they were *fodera*), i played an aj6 at namm for about 10–15 minutes. about a month later i got a loan and ordered one. (i wanted to buy the bass i tried, but it was spoken for.)

at this point there were very few people making 6-strings and it basically reflected what i had been thinking about when i was planning to find someone to build me one. needless to say, i really lucked out.

now kinda back to vic's points. did the bass make me a better player? kind of. i sank a lot of money into it, so i had to really commit to it. that meant more work and study on the thing. all good. that fact that it's still one of the best instruments that i've ever played helps.

here's something a lot of people don't consider: the bass's sound and that way it played changed how i heard things and played. it changed my life—seriously. i think most people assume that a bass has to sound a certain way—and that it has to adhere to their preconceived notions. i sort of followed the bass being what it was and me having to adapt. not unlike getting your first bass—cause most of us don't start on a really good instrument. we have to adapt to it, then we get a better one and we learn from and adapt some more. in a certain way, i think there not being a lot of options back then helped me just deal with playing, not with second-guessing what was best and following the rabbit down the gear hole.

basically i was able to bond with the instrument without all of those distractions. in the ensuing years, i've played some other makes, but i'm happy with what i have. is it **THE BEST EVER**? probably not. i don't know what that means.

i realized today that i've had this bass for almost half of my life. that's pretty trippy—and not a bad investment.

so fodera for the op of this sub-thread? maybe. (i had a student who has a cirrus and i thought it was pretty nice.)
 
here's something a lot of people don't consider: the bass's sound and that way it played changed how i heard things and played. it changed my life—seriously. i think most people assume that a bass has to sound a certain way—and that it has to adhere to their preconceived notions.

For those following along at home, I'm lucky enough to live near steubig and we done some gear hangs and also played a few gigs together (2 basses and drums can be a hoot with the right mindset). He made this point to me a few times and it has begun to sink in. And in fact I can say that my YYD isn't "perfect" - no instrument is. If I channel my inner-mom and go nitpicking, I can find some really minor things (e.g., I have to work the low F a bit differently than other notes on the E-string). But if I focus on what the bass *can* do, rather than what I think it doesn't do, all of the sudden I'm off into very interesting territory.

There are some instruments that are one-trick ponies, and others that are chameleons. Being a one-trick pony isn't necessarily bad - sometimes that trick is REALLY good (some think that Rob Allens fall into that category). I think Foderas are more on the chameleon side of things, but having owned a number of them and played even more of them, they all do have their own "personality." So we can decide to either work with it, or fight against it. The same can be said of any instrument.

No single right answer for everyone. I just know that my YYD is one of those basses that don't come along very often. For whatever reason it speaks to me, and I've decided to listen.
 
Narud, many thanks for the insight..and hearing all the other various points of view is all healthy.;)

i actually sold the fodera i owned the longest because it was harder to play than my fernandes 5 string. the narrower spacing at the nut and bridge was considerably easier to play than the fodera. neither instrument made me a better player or inspired me to play anything. listening to michael brecker, herbie hancock,black flag or whoever inspired new ideas. i dont want that kind of relationship with a piece of gear to create.

before i started doing my own fretwork, i developed a relationship with repair guys to get the decked action i like. any instrument can have the playability a fodera does. it just depends if you want to throw the money at it. in comparison, the 300 dollars or so for a complete refret with the truing of the board thatll get that insane action is cheap. once thats done, the execution argument is out the window.

these are just my own thoughts/experiences with high end gear. trust me, ive churned out my fair share of stuff over nearly the last 15 years;) i understand that basses can inspire some guys. to the guy considering dropping this kind of coin thinking it may unlock some door of creativity/inspiration? maybe, maybe not. for me they dont.

ive owned 3 emperors. one 34" scale 5 string bolt on. alder/ebony duncan duals. and 2 35" scale emperor elites. alder/ebony. duncan duals and the one i had the longest had aeros for 7 of the 8 years i owned it and duncans at the end. one was chestnut the other was buckeye. id love to check out a 17.5mm spacing/1 3/4" nut fodera. even if had the dough, id have a hard time with the sticker price. i like a rounder fingerboard radius (love the 7.25" fender radius) and for the 1k they charge to change it, id be tempted to just buy another bass with the upcharge money:hiding:
 
...to the guy considering dropping this kind of coin thinking it may unlock some door of creativity/inspiration? maybe, maybe not...
Exactly. It's personal, it's not like a simple equation where everybody gets a better experience if they buy a more expensive instrument. Totally agree.
 
My main axe for years was a USA Fender Jazz V, alder with a pau ferro fingerboard. Also used some other Fenders, Music Mans (including a Bongo 6 & a Big Al), a Yamaha, a Cort... nothing at the "boutique" level, but I loved my Fender despite it being very neck heavy.

When I was first in NYC in 2011, I visited the shop to get a quote on a custom instrument. I happened to have my Fender with me and Jason offered to do a set up on it, commenting on my "rather high" action. I thought my action was low! I told him, by all means, to go nuts and work his magic. I couldn't believe how well it played afterward, and I've had mine set up by some excellent local techs. Unfortunately, at the time there were no basses for me to try out in the shop, although I did get the opportunity to have a close look (with my eyes) at this then-in-progress awesome Bogwood Monarch 4.

http://foderaguitars.com/Main/NewBornDetails.aspx?FeaturedItemID=225

That same day I asked the guys at the shop if anyone was playing anywhere in the next week so I could go and hear, and Joey invited me to Mexicali Blues in New Jersey where I could attend an open jam. After almost getting on the wrong bus (!) I made it, he invited me to sit down, bought me a beer, and, well, made a great impression for the company.

The quote I was given was for an ash/maple Monarch 4 deluxe. The pau ferro on my Fender, however, was really growing on me, and I decided that if & when I pulled the trigger on a custom Fodera, I'd go with that wood. Furthermore, I had moved exclusively to 5-string by that point, so I'd upgrade to a 5 as well. Luckily, three months later, Fodera announced the Emperor 5 standard. I put down a deposit immediately.

I'm not rich. I'm a 28 year old musician with a music degree who doubles on electric & upright in classical, jazz, rock, funk, etc. But I knew that I needed a pro-level instrument and that if I was going to drop $X000 on a bass, it had better be the best! At that point, the only boutique basses I've even played had been a Zon Vinny (unplugged), an MTD, a Sadowsky, and a custom shop Fender. They were all great in their own way. But from the discussions here, I could tell that from Fodera's reputation (and the excellent customer service that had already floored me), I was sold.

That said, there's one caveat to the story. I also went for a standard line instrument for safety's sake - if for any reason the bass didn't work out for me, I'd have a much better chance of selling it than if it was a custom with unique tonewood combinations, neck profile, etc. Fortunately, I've had my Emperor for a year and a half now and it's still impressing me (as well as sound engineers).



This pretty much summarizes what I take from the posts discussing the merits of Foderas in this thread, and in this owner's forum over the years.

Has anyone taken a deep breath and bought a Fodera without ever having played one?
If so, what has been the experience?

It's posts like this and others, plus magazine reviews and Youtube clips, plus the quick responses from Jason that makes me seriously consider acquiring one of the Standards sight unseen, and without ever having had an opportunity to try out a Fodera for myself. I would have to do it this way as I'm thousands of miles from the nearest known Fodera owner and there are no dealers in my country.

I'm not a wealthy person by any means, but I could sell a number of quality instruments I've acquired over the years to get one. I realize that it's only Fodera owners who would not think I'm being totally crazy to be even considering this. The objective would be for the chosen Fodera to become my only fretted bass - which I would gig most of the time.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Am I being totally off the wall??
 
by the by.

lest anyone think i *only accept*.

both my 85s have had some work done on them: shaved necks (the 85s were noticeably wider/thicker), different pickups; one has a different fingerboard now. similar changes have occurred on *all* my core basses (8!).

i'm not precious about this stuff. i'm a player, not a collector. and i came from a time when you'd just switch necks on 60s fenders or change/add pickups in them (they were only 6 years old—not vintage—then). i endlessly tweak to get things were i want them in the moment. the value for me is in the playing, not the resale.

which might just make me an idiot.
 
...the value for me is in the playing, not the resale.
HALLELUJAH! Damn right. I bought the instrument, I'm gonna' damn well play it. I didn't pay all this money to simply be the caretaker for the next owner. Hell with that. :)

which might just make me an idiot.
completely disagree. :)
 
HALLELUJAH! Damn right. I bought the instrument, I'm gonna' damn well play it. I didn't pay all this money to simply be the caretaker for the next owner. Hell with that. :)

I used to own and then race an old Porsche (79 911SC) and there is a mentality with a lot of owners who treat their cars as "garage queens." In fact, I bought my car in 2003 and it had 40K miles on it and it was pristine. I slowly turned it into a track car (after hitting a huge chunk of concrete on the freeway and have to repair that) and drove the snot out of it. Just as it was designed to do. My take was, "why save the car for the next owner?"
 
namm: stig in the house on friday/saturday. loitering near the fodera booth as well as nordstrand and "noise alley" (weird pedals/synths, etc.) downstairs.
Friend me on facebook and msg me when you're around. We'll be running pretty hard during the show, but you never know when we might be passing by.
 
I may try to go down Wed night, as I'm tied up at work Thu/Fri. Probably will hit the show Sat or Sun and also need to hook up with Jule to check out some new stuff (muhahahah)
wed night we have our luthier's round table, and after that, we're going to an event that's ticketed/invite only, so that might be tough. sorry. :(
 
First off, thanks so much for the kind words!

My thoughts are fairly simple...using words for this stuff is really, really dangerous. I'd have to physically feel the neck in order to give you any really quality advice. I wish it could be other than that!! Remember that with the cost of a Custom, you can send us any neck that you really love and we will carve yours to match...

Cheers,

J

Hmm OK, that's an honest answer. I will bother Phil more on Monday. My thought, with your answer, would be VW classic neck with 1/32 or 1/64 taken off.

Thanks Again.
 
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