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for "high-end" bass owners...

As it has been mentioned set aside a portion of your income each month, swat up on tonewood combinations, pickup brands and types, your preferred neck shape string spacing etc... Draw up some ideas of what you want your bass to look and sound like. Saving may take a long time, depnds on your income. but if your really want a boutique instrument you know it will be worth the wait.

(for instance on my income i would have to save up for 10 - 15 months - part time worker) but im happy with my yamaha so i am alright :D
 
My question is for those that started on lower-end basses and eventually made the jump to a more serious instrument (Fodera, Zon, anything in the 4 figure range). If you didn't have that much disposable cash lying round, how did you make the financial commitment to upgrade, and when you did, how did your playing change? What was the experience like for you playing a high-end bass for the first time?

thanks in advance....
basshead5, I really don't know what most of the other members here are talking about. This is the only question I see posted here. I for one would like to offer an apology on behalf of talkbass for their douchebaggery. :D




I've always lived on an average income and have managed to eventually get a nice collection of basses over the time because of my frugality. I don't ever think I'll be in the tax bracket to purchase a new Fodera, but if I ever manage to "let go" a bass or two I'm sure I could pull it off.


Here's what I usually do.

First, I usually don't even think about buying a bass unless I have at least some disposable income that will pay for a portion of the bass. My first $2000.00+ bass was done mostly in saved gig money. I would take half or more of my gig money and put it in my mattress, coffee can, or what have you. The rest went on a credit card. Now a note on using a credit card before anyone here loses their mind and gives their best lecture on why using a credit card is a bad idea. Remember, I'm "frugal". Simply figure out what the balance is and see if you can swing the payments in as short a period as possible. It's easy to keep yourself out of trouble if you have some discipline. I've always looked at a credit card as more of a convenient "personal loan" and never use it for daily purchases other than the occasion online purchase. Most of the year I have a zero balance on my credit card.


Second bass was more of what John Turner mentioned. It was a semi-custom bass in which I had about 6-8 months before it was finished. I had enough for a down-payment and socked away the rest of the cash before it was done. Mater of fact, the balance, which was the majority of the purchase price went on a credit card simply because it was quicker and convenient. It was paid off quickly because of the money I put aside during the build time.


My last purchase. I used the classifieds here at talkbass and sold off a bunch of stuff I was no longer using, then purchased a very fine used Sadowsky. Only a couple hundred came out of pocket. Whenever money is an issue, there are some great deals in the used market. Selling off surplus, bass equipment or otherwise works out well and I'll bet you'll be surprised on what you may have hanging around.




How did my playing change?
First let me add that the first two basses that I cut my teeth on were of lower quality to what you see in a Fender MIM or Squier of today. Anyone that started playing bass in the late 70's to early 80's I'm sure are familiar with the Japanese copies of Fender instruments. Nuff said.

Looking back, I'm actually a little grateful for starting off on a POS. You do learn to make a bass sound better by technique alone. The good thing is you will bring this lesson over to a better bass. You already have learned to squeeze different tones out of your instrument and you will benefit from this on higher quality bass. Playability, well, that's a major improvement. You can set it up to have buttery low action, if that's what you want. Simply put, it takes less effort to pull off difficult passages. When laying down a simple groove I find I'm able to project a bit more nuance in the bass line that otherwise may have been lost on other basses. Overall, I don't think "my playing" has changed all that much. It's just easier to articulate what you were trying to pull off on a lesser quality instrument.


Happy hunting!
 
As a longtime player on a very tight budget, I have resigned myself to playing low and mid-level instruments (Squier, SX, Ibanez, etc) and try to make them play and sound as good as possible. But, sometimes I feel my technique is kind of hindered by the instrument.

My question is for those that started on lower-end basses and eventually made the jump to a more serious instrument (Fodera, Zon, anything in the 4 figure range). If you didn't have that much disposable cash lying round, how did you make the financial commitment to upgrade, and when you did, how did your playing change? What was the experience like for you playing a high-end bass for the first time?

thanks in advance....

This thread again..... I'll post my usual comments before it gets shut down by the moderator:

The good players realize that the bass they have doesn't fit - it has some ergonomic problem like poor balance, too wide or narrow of a neck, etc. or has a tone that's not useable for the player.
They choose their next bass to primarily fix those problems - it fits and has the desired tone or is an acceptable compromise on both of those counts. It may have a desired appearance too.
The bass they end up with may or may not be a boutique, but if it is a boutique they play and sound better on it because they chose it for the right reasons. You can hear these guys here on TB like John Turner, alexcosta etc.

The bad players think the expensive bass is going to fix their playing - they spend the money thinking that afterward they'll sound like their favorite player who also plays that boutique. They don't care much about fit and tone because they think the bass will fix the problems they're having without having to pay attention to that.
They usually don't sound or play any better at all even tho the bank account has been dented really heavily.
These guys you hear mostly shouting and attacking in these threads and rarely actually playing their instruments. They shall remain nameless but who they are is pretty obvious until the thread gets shut down.

So my conclusion? It's not how expensive the bass is, it's whether it fits the player's ergonomic requirements and has a useable tone. It may also address a need for extended range so often it'll be a 5, 6 or more string. So don't pay attention to how expensive it is or what "tonewoods" it's made out of, etc. Be attentive to fit and tone and you'll end up pretty close (tho you may have to go through a few until you find a good compromise).

LS
 
As a longtime player on a very tight budget, I have resigned myself to playing low and mid-level instruments (Squier, SX, Ibanez, etc) and try to make them play and sound as good as possible. But, sometimes I feel my technique is kind of hindered by the instrument.

My question is for those that started on lower-end basses and eventually made the jump to a more serious instrument (Fodera, Zon, anything in the 4 figure range). If you didn't have that much disposable cash lying round, how did you make the financial commitment to upgrade, and when you did, how did your playing change? What was the experience like for you playing a high-end bass for the first time?

thanks in advance....

For me it was a matter of identifying what it was that I wanted and needed, to not feel limited by the instrument.
Then I found a luthier and worked with him to have a bass made.
The instrument was not very expensive but sounds rather better than many far more expensive basses.
It has no bells and whistles but is built well and employs the right components to achieve the tone I was (and am) after.
Most importantly I think is the process of self evaluation and clearly identifying what it is that's not right about the current instrument, what do you miss/dislike.
Make a list.
Have a close look at instruments that you like and identify what exactly it is that you like.
If it is the tone, try to figure out how that tone has been realized and see that you incorporate the features you like into your instrument.

In my case that has cost quite some time, but a relatively small amount of money.
I know have a bass that feels right and sounds right and didn't cost so much.

To me it was not about ego, but about wanting a better tool.
Otherwise I would have invested in some therapy sessions I recon.
 
This thread again..... I'll post my usual comments before it gets shut down by the moderator:



LS
The thing is, it's not ones of those threads again. He never asked "why". He asked "how"

The title and follow up question may be confusing some readers. I think his only intentions are looking for assurance that his time and effort will be worth it for him. However, if the forum members keep injecting opinion on talent vs boutique basses this thread will get shut down.
 
I waited until I could afford the high-didge basses. There is an element of truth to all that ego stuff they're talking about up there. My $750 Fender American Jazz Deluxe Plus can sound pretty much as good as my $4,000+ Sadowskys. But not quite. I have greater self-esteem when I'm playing a Sadowsky.
 
To address the OP I would say that you will more than likely, not be able to get a mid or lower priced bass to sound like a high end bass but you should be looking for your' sound, not the sound of any particular bass. I don;t own any high end basses (I wish I did) but I have very good basses that are set up well and they all sound very good.
The following is a short list of mid priced basses that sound surprisingly good:
Ibanez Roadgear Series basses: I have one and it sounds very Musicman like and it plays great
Hamer Velocity Basses: I owned a single MM 5 and a friend has the model with 2 jazz bass pickups and they are both great basses
Yamaha BB 414/614: great basses that have all of the bread and butter tones you could ever want and they look and play great
G&L Tribute Series basses
Sterling by Musicman basses
Peavey G Bass, Millenium (used price) or Cirrus BXP series

Once again I'll state that these basses are not as good as the high end basses that some folks are fortunate enough to own but they are great playing and great sounding basses that will not bust your bank account.
 
As a longtime player on a very tight budget, I have resigned myself to playing low and mid-level instruments (Squier, SX, Ibanez, etc) and try to make them play and sound as good as possible. But, sometimes I feel my technique is kind of hindered by the instrument.

My question is for those that started on lower-end basses and eventually made the jump to a more serious instrument (Fodera, Zon, anything in the 4 figure range). If you didn't have that much disposable cash lying round, how did you make the financial commitment to upgrade, and when you did, how did your playing change? What was the experience like for you playing a high-end bass for the first time?

thanks in advance....

I make under 30K a year...by a long shot. But I own one VERY VERY nice bass, and a handful of other expensive basses. In reality, it wasn't that hard. I live within my means. My rent is cheap and I don't need a lot of fancy other stuff. I don't need a 879 inch flat screen TV and 10.8 Digital surround...if you know what I mean. What did I do? SAVE SAVE SAVE. Once I had that, I put my deposit down...and then waited and SAVED SAVED SAVED again for 3 years for my bass to be done. It amounted to two decent sized payments over 3 years rather than a big chunk of cash at once. Very doable.

And yes, my bass does make me play better.

This may be one of the most ignorant, misinformed, totally untrue statements TB has ever seen.

+1
 
Yeah, 3/64ths ain't gonna happen on any bass -- not and still have it be wonderfully playable! ;)

I figured it was something like that, but still amazes me. Considering that a vast majority don't use low action, it annoys me when it's suggested that any bass is capable.

IMHO, improved action, feel, and the low B of boutique basses is often one of the many things that keep luthiers in business. It's unfortunate that they cost more as I feel that a significant amount of hate is simply due to price and not being able to have one.

Back to the OP: Utilize the build time for saving up for the bass!!! Also, be sure to try out as many things as possible so you can have a better idea of what you'd want. With the virtually unlimited list of options, certain things could make or break comfort for you.
 
i hate the p***ing match that ensues from this between the haves and the have nots. dude my suggestion to you is instead of shooting for the stars right away right away...go to every music store and pawn shop and play every USED bass you can. find a couple that feel money to you pick the best of all of them, then search craigs or the forums and buy it for a much more reasonable price then what you would in a retail store! if you buy used and keep it nice you should be able to get your money back when the time comes to say goodbye. in the mean time you can save save save like everyone has suggested and you have a much better bass to help your playing along than you currently do now. when you have almost enough for a custom or boutique bass of your dreams, flip your old bass to put you past the finish line on the cash side and youre home free!

i have 4 basses now and im searching for a builder for my custom job! i have been saving and when i find someone who can nail what i want i have 3 of 4 basses in the $500-$1000 street value range i can liquidate and cover half of my custom job, until that time i have 4 basses which give me versitility that i need to advance!

hope this helps...to the guys playing on the sweet boutique basses, congrats you have stellar pieces of art and i hope you love them, im sure they sound amazing. to the mass manufactured guys, congrats as well because none of my bass heroes have a custom bass past electronics swaps and they all sound money!
 
When I first began to play (on cheapo basses) I progressed to the point after a few years that my mom helped me get a used Spector. It was back around 1980- and the Spector was so beautiful in every way that I was ashamed to own it because I wasnt very skilled :)

To each his own. I love the look of Boutique basses (and Im happy for those who can buy them)- but I am happy w/ a plain old Fender... and I always think about what Jeff Berlin once told me: "My bass is a $700 Dean JB Signature- its all I ever play and all I need"
 
The thing is, it's not ones of those threads again. He never asked "why". He asked "how"

The title and follow up question may be confusing some readers. I think his only intentions are looking for assurance that his time and effort will be worth it for him. However, if the forum members keep injecting opinion on talent vs boutique basses this thread will get shut down.

No, as you can read, they're already starting to gather, with their silly rot that everyone's jealous that they can't afford a boutique, we hate them because they're beautiful and on and on. Many of them don't even know their own stuff they've spent several months' pay on doesn't fit them, so they don't understand the criticisms at all.

I can hear the hooves of the rest of them coming; all it takes is a couple snide remarks about boutiques and you're a dead man in a dead thread.

Like I said, the OP's time and money WILL be well spent _if_ he looks for correct fit and tone (NOT that he spends this or that amount of money, or gets a custom made model from <insert your favorite luthier here>. But he has to know what he needs - this isn't always easy, cheap or quick to figure out (i.e. in my case).

The solution may or may not be a boutique, but that's not the important part - what's important is that it fits him ergonomically, has a usable tone and is at least good enough to get a good setup on. The required price point for that latter requirement is actually a lot lower than some might assert it to be. It's almost to the point you can ignore price, as there are some really super nice basses out there for prices in the hundreds of bucks.....

LS
 
This is an interesting and thought-provoking thread, philosophically beyond many I have encountered...I think it is good to expand beyond the original parameters of the thread question. When I had money to burn in my 30s and 40s, I bought cheap basses; now, in my late 50s, I regard the purchase of my Stingray as a major indulgence. That said, I'd give anything to once again hold my '65 Hagstrom II for a moment or two. Or, maybe my Gibson Kalamazoo--white-on-white--and the prettiest thing I ever thought a paperboy could possess. Then, as a fortieth birthday present, my wife (much younger than I) bought me a nearly exact copy of Brian Wilson's white P-bass (the "Concert Album"). To sum it up, I think our emotional attachments mean more than our monetary outlays. I'd love to hear from Pointbass, Dr. Cheese, Ionote, Typlons, Burning Skies, Jordacshe (even if he is a kid--a great kid, I suspect) and others I should invoke about this highly charged but universally appealing emotional issue. After all, if basses weren't our passion, why would we be here?
 
My first high-end bass was an American Fender 2008 Jazz Bass. If thats not high end, then my Rickenbacker bass was. When I first played the Fender ( i got that first of these two), I felt that I could expand my technique of the left hand. Everything felt more naturally in the hands. Its defiantly worth the $$. Depending on your budget, pretty much anything above $1,000 is going to be made with better workmanship, wood, and pickups.
 
Adding to the Fray here - I don't think the gap is as large as some people think between Boutique and off the shelf. There are amazing playing inexpensive basses and some that are not so - the same holds true for high end.

I still Gas for a Zon and a Sadowsky - but having played both - I found the gap is not as huge as I thought - this does not change my desire for one of each - it has just given me the patience to wait till I can take that plunge - while enjoying the Basses I own (none of which cost me more than $675).

Just to be clear there are differences - higher end basses have great playability, sick low action if you want it and electronics that allow for huge pallet of sounds. Going back to the original post - I don't think he was saying the $50 dollar Squire could sound like a custom 6 string fretless per say - just that in the hands of an accomplished player - either could sound very good - that I agree with and have experienced for myself.

There is want and need - they are always in play when considering to invest in a high end hand made instrument. My best advice is to try and play some of these - TB GTG's allow this opportunity - a few things can happen given the opportunity - you can possibly narrow down your desire or decide that what you are using is pretty good after all - in my case the experience was both - and yes I still want a Sadowsky and a Zon : )