Formula 1/F1/Formula One

[murphy]

I know that anything but winning crushes Lewis....I am pretty sure we were looking at total defeat on his face ..... He seems to beat himself up pretty bad if he is not on pole.

I guess the drive to be the Best...comes at a huge cost with defeat!

 

[BadSanta1281]

I don't really understand why they have to have a full liter of fuel left over for testing.
How many different tests are they running? And to be totally disqualified?
That really sucks for Sebastian after such a good performance.

Bottas looked like a demolition derby contestant. Was he texting and driving?
I was looking forward to watching Max and Lewis work out their differences on the track.

Still, one of the most exciting and interesting races this season.

 

[murphy]

Still, one of the most exciting and interesting races this season.

Yes...I really enjoyed it....and am so happy for Esteban.....He deserved a win!

 

[roller]

Did Ocon run out of fuel as well at the end? Or did he just miss his turn into the pits and park it at the end of pit road? Buddy of mine thinks he ran it dry which would put him in the same boat as Seb.

I don't really understand why they have to have a full liter of fuel left over for testing.
How many different tests are they running? And to be totally disqualified?

 

[Corigan]

Did Ocon run out of fuel as well at the end? Or did he just miss his turn into the pits and park it at the end of pit road? Buddy of mine thinks he ran it dry which would put him in the same boat as Seb.

I was thinking they both ran out of fuel. I thought it was going to be an issue for both of them. I wonder if Ocon stopped with some left in the car. I also wonder if the drivers don't have to get it back to the pits with the fuel. Im not quite sure what the rules are exactly on that. anybody have a link to the fia rule?

 

[BadSanta1281]

Did Ocon run out of fuel as well at the end?

I think he just got lost on the way to Victory Lane. It wasn't programmed in his GPS.

 

[Clank Plank]

Ive 2 ideas that might cut down on some of these avoidable crashes...

Firstly, a penalty should be applied commensurate with any disadvantage the victim suffers. If the victim loses 3 places at the point of impact, the offender should be reduced by 3 places at the end of the race. If the victim is knocked out of the race, then the offender should be made to complete the rave and then have their result deleted afterwards.

And my second idea, the offenders team should pay for the damage. In a mere 2 races Mercedes have cost Red Bull one chassis, two engines, and innumerable other parts to a value of near on £3,000,000. That cash has to come out of the capped budget, which significantly reduces their budget for in season development. If the offenders team had to pay the bill that would not only be fairer, but it might also deter some of the drivers from pulling some of the more outlandish manoeuvres we've seen over the years.

And as a favour to the FIA I'll police these new reules for a mere half million a year in my Lichtenstein account, plus free travel to all the races, first class accommodation, and only the most refined call girls.

 

[Jeff Scott]

Ive 2 ideas that might cut down on some of these avoidable crashes...

Firstly, a penalty should be applied commensurate with any disadvantage the victim suffers. If the victim loses 3 places at the point of impact, the offender should be reduced by 3 places at the end of the race. If the victim is knocked out of the race, then the offender should be made to complete the rave and then have their result deleted afterwards.

And my second idea, the offenders team should pay for the damage. In a mere 2 races Mercedes have cost Red Bull one chassis, two engines, and innumerable other parts to a value of near on £3,000,000. That cash has to come out of the capped budget, which significantly reduces their budget for in season development. If the offenders team had to pay the bill that would not only be fairer, but it might also deter some of the drivers from pulling some of the more outlandish manoeuvres we've seen over the years.

And as a favour to the FIA I'll police these new reules for a mere half million a year in my Lichtenstein account, plus free travel to all the races, first class accommodation, and only the most refined call girls.

Hear! Hear! On all suggestions.

 

[murphy]

Hear! Hear! On all suggestions.

I agree

 

[BioDriver]

Ive 2 ideas that might cut down on some of these avoidable crashes...

Firstly, a penalty should be applied commensurate with any disadvantage the victim suffers. If the victim loses 3 places at the point of impact, the offender should be reduced by 3 places at the end of the race. If the victim is knocked out of the race, then the offender should be made to complete the rave and then have their result deleted afterwards.

And my second idea, the offenders team should pay for the damage. In a mere 2 races Mercedes have cost Red Bull one chassis, two engines, and innumerable other parts to a value of near on £3,000,000. That cash has to come out of the capped budget, which significantly reduces their budget for in season development. If the offenders team had to pay the bill that would not only be fairer, but it might also deter some of the drivers from pulling some of the more outlandish manoeuvres we've seen over the years.

And as a favour to the FIA I'll police these new reules for a mere half million a year in my Lichtenstein account, plus free travel to all the races, first class accommodation, and only the most refined call girls.

Could not agree more. I was very disappointed by the slap on the wrist Lewis got at Silverstone and other drivers got for punting competitors. IMO if you cause an incident that removes a car, you're out too and your team foots the bill. Making the victim pay just pours salt on the wound.

I'll also add that the ban on ABS put in place when Williams was unstoppable needs to be lifted as well. Everyone has the budget and means to use it, and most of these incidents would be prevented with modern braking.

 

[roller]

Now hearing that Ocon did NOT run out of fuel. Obviously, he missed his turn to pit road... but knowing he was super-low on fuel, he went ahead and shut off the car so that he'd have enough in the tank so the stewards could pull a sample.

I was thinking they both ran out of fuel. I thought it was going to be an issue for both of them. I wonder if Ocon stopped with some left in the car. I also wonder if the drivers don't have to get it back to the pits with the fuel. Im not quite sure what the rules are exactly on that. anybody have a link to the fia rule?

I think he just got lost on the way to Victory Lane. It wasn't programmed in his GPS.

 

[Gaolee]

My take on the crashes is that they are an unfortunate byproduct of racing. The whole point is to be right on the ragged edge of control, but not over the edge. When I was racing motorcycles, we would never call anything an accident, because it wasn't. It was a crash. We actually didn't usually call it a crash, but instead a get-off. You would fall off the bike. There were times that a pass didn't come off quite right, or something would go wrong and the person who fell off would take down another rider. Unless it was a blatantly stupid and dangerous thing, there were no penalties involved. Because we were club racers, nobody had buckets of cash to replace broken parts, either. I recall cobbling up the kill switch for my bike from Radio Shack parts so that I could make the grid the next day after finding some misplaced lubricant on the track in a corner. The F1 level is a whole lot more skilled and professional than even the top level club racers I was around, but at some point, the same principles apply. Don't be a jerk, and race. Sometimes things go wrong. The penalties seem reasonable to me, in spite of the money at stake. That's part of the deal.

 

[BadSanta1281]

I disagree with the notion of harsher penalties.

Bottas's debacle was worthy of a penalty but IMHO Lewis and Max at Silverstone was a racing incident.
They were both partially at fault.

This is the premiere league of automobile racing.
Do we really want to see drivers giving way in every corner for fear of getting penalized?

I want to watch drivers with a "if you ain't first, you're last" attitude battling it out.

 

[Jeff Scott]

“The consequences for us are brutal and in a cost cap environment that needs looking at by the FIA,” reiterated the team boss [Christian Horner].

I agree. The FIA needs to have some sort of "pool money" to help out teams that end up in situations such as Red Bull is in, thanks to Mercedes.

 

[BadSanta1281]

I think the cost for crash repairs should be outside and not counted toward the overall cost cap.

 

[murphy]

I think the cost for crash repairs should be outside and not counted toward the overall cost cap.

I wonder who their insurance provider is??

 

[roller]

Those commercials are lacking. They simply do nothing for me... certainly don't make me consider them for my insurance needs. It's just goofy shtick for the sole purpose of doing goofy shtick.

I wonder who their insurance provider is??

 

[ShawnG]

I was traveling over the weekend and seeing the number of posts popping up in this thread was killing me (as I knew from the number of posts, it must have been quite a race) until I could get home, watch the race on the DVR then check the posts!
Crazy/great race. Alonso/Hamilton duel was epic AND a GREAT example of how to race hard and not crash. Notice how Lewis did not turn into Alonso in the middle of the turn when Alonso wasn't giving Lewis the racing line. Max (and Christian) will hopefully also watch the race on DVR and take some notes on how to drive hard, yet not crash yourself by turning into the car next to you.

 

[BadSanta1281]

Those commercials are lacking. They simply do nothing for me... certainly don't make me consider them for my insurance needs. It's just goofy shtick for the sole purpose of doing goofy shtick.

Actually, it's just just goofy schtick for the sole purpose of burning name recognition into your brain.

Wet teddy bears here!

 

[Gaolee]

Those commercials are lacking. They simply do nothing for me... certainly don't make me consider them for my insurance needs. It's just goofy shtick for the sole purpose of doing goofy shtick.

Those actually irritate me sufficiently to scratch Liberty Mutual off the list of providers unless there's a really compelling reason to put them back on.