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Thats a bit harsh methinks. By all means dock the teams constructors points, but Vettel put in a tidy drive and did nothing wrong so it does seem rather unfair.

Compare this to Hamilton and Bottas, who spear off Red Bulls, completely ruining their race and costing them nearly £2,000,000 from their budget, and they are still able to keep any points they then accrue (Bottas faces a grid penalty at the next race, but will get to keep any points earned).

In this case neither Vettel nor Aston Martin harmed anyone elses performance or affected anyone elses race, yet they get stripped of all the points they won.

Major infractions like Hamilton's earn minor or meaningless penalties. Meanwhile, minor ones where Vettel himself has done nothing whatsoever wrong earn severe penalties.

Its inconsistent, unfair on fans and racers, and simply unsporting.
 
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I hear ya... but I suppose the officials believe there are procedures laid out in the rulebook the drivers have complete control of... and then there are non-intentional on-track incidents that happen during the race.

As unforunate as the latter can be to the teams that got taken out, it's never really been a part of motorsport (of any kind) to penalize teams for every accident that takes place. Sometimes stuff happens.

Thats a bit harsh methinks. By all means dock the teams constructors points, but Vettel put in a tidy drive and did nothing wrong so it does seem rather unfair.

Compare this to Hamilton and Bottas, who spear off Red Bulls, completely ruining their race and costing them nearly £2,000,000 from their budget, and they are still able to keep any points they then accrue (Bottas faces a grid penalty at the next race, but will get to keep any points earned).

In this case neither Vettel nor Aston Martin harmed anyone elses performance or affected anyone elses race, yet they get stripped of all the points they won.

Major infractions like Hamilton's earn minor or meaningless penalties. Meanwhile, minor ones where Vettel himself has done nothing whatsoever wrong earn severe penalties.

Its inconsistent, unfair on fans and racers, and simply unsporting.
 
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Why should a car in the lead back off?
Risk/reward, as I have stated previously.
You can choose to turn into the car next to you and see what happens or back off and live to fight for the rest of the race. That’s how I see it (just an opinion).
Difference in points in finishing 2nd vs. DNF would also color my thinking, and I would expect would be part of the strategy brief with the team, pre-race.
All water under the bridge, but I just think that “Lewis crashed Max” is not an accurate statement.
 
I am formally going on the record, Lewis did not wreck Max, Max turned in to Lewis.
I agree that Lewis was pushing Max out by not hugging the apex of the turn, but the decision not to back off was Max’s not Lewis’.
Also, for the record, I am not a Lewis fan.

Watch it frame by frame - you can actually see Lewis underseeting slightly and then inside Max's wheels. Max was turning because he was going round the conprner on the established racing line, which he is entitled to do under any circumstances - where there is any doubt the driver on or closest to the established racing must be given room by any competitor. I'd give you the sporting code paragraph but im nit at home.

Max had the racing line, so the convention is that he does not have to yield. It was a desperation move by Lewis - very early entry and apex, and physics says that gives a late exit, and sure enough his exit line was wider than he needed, he couldn't hold it tight enough and he visibly understeered about a tyres width to his left.

The Marshals doubtless have far better video of it that I do, not to mention telemetry (which includes yaw and steering angle), as well as the sporting rule book to rely upon and they blamed Lewis.

Risk/reward, as I have stated previously.
You can choose to turn into the car next to you and see what happens or back off and live to fight for the rest of the race. That’s how I see it (just an opinion).
Difference in points in finishing 2nd vs. DNF would also color my thinking, and I would expect would be part of the strategy brief with the team, pre-race.
All water under the bridge, but I just think that “Lewis crashed Max” is not an accurate statement.

Or you could think, "I'm on the racing line, im now slightly ahead and carrying more speed, so the rules compell my rival to yield..."

Im not a Max fan - im not a fan of any individual driver - but its apparent that Max was turning because he was transiting the corner on the racing line. Lewis was understeering because he was on a very suboptimal line and deliberately chose not to scrub off enough speed to get round without inducing understeer. Watch it frame by frame and that is very visible.
 
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Not back off... but just like any car on the track who has a challenger coming up from behind or side, the driver in the lead needs to be aware of where they put their car as they can certainly contribute to an accident. It's not just the challenger's job to make sure the two cars don't get wadded up.

But at Silverstone, Lewis should've known better and didn't need be sticking his nose in there, especially so early in the race. Lewis' oversight was what mostly led to Max's crash. Ultimately, it was a "racing deal."

Everyone (teams, drivers, writers, fans) need to move forward as nothing more is gonna happen at this point. It's history.

Why should a car in the lead back off?
 
So many questions with Haas -- How much longer will Gene Haas continue to be involved? How much longer will the team employ Guenther? Will Mazespin's dad eventually buy out the team as the rumors are saying?

Guenther seems like a truly likable guy. The weekends when Sky partners up with him are certainly the most entertaining... however, with very poor results during his time with the team, it seems like the inevitable is right around the corner... and I won't be busted up when that happens as a team's gotta do what a team's gotta do. Guenther lives in Mooresville, North Carolina... I wonder if a non-F1 role could be in his future (and I'm thinking IndyCars or sports cars, not Neck-Car).

I'd love to see Mick in better equipment. I bet he could run mid-pack in the Alfa, especially this season.

If a driver is given enough time in a seat and enough time to gel with a team and their methods, I think that almost any driver from a lesser ride (or even a non-F1 driver) could be nearly as quick as that team's current drivers. I also believe that some of the guys at the front of the field aren't as "magical" as some might like to think. I'm convinced the grid is mostly dictated by the car, not the driver. If the career paths of Max or Lewis hadn't been so prosperous years ago and they were currently in a Williams or a Haas, I think you'd see them running at the back of the pack.

Must be difficult for Haas. Of the two Mick is clearly the better driver, at least at the moment, but Mazepins Dad is filthy rich and Haas need the dollar.
 
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